Flybe-V2

[SealinkBF]

Originally Posted by Wycombe

LHR-NQY will work I think because a lot of people in Cornwall want LHR for connections - NQY's social media channels have been very positive about this news since the announcement yesterday

Word from inside BEE elsewhere is that EXT is in their plans, but they wont be starting anything yet.

FlyBe should really start working on codeshares then.

[cavokblues]

Originally Posted by Albert Hall

Some interesting rumours out of Flybe HQ today. No-one mentioning the unmentionable....

Dare I ask about the unmentionable and what it is? This is a rumour network after all.....

[Wycombe]

Originally Posted by SealinkBF

FlyBe should really start working on codeshares then.

Apparently they are (this will be also be important at MAN, and you would think in AMS also), so watch this space I guess?

[nwoody2001]

Originally Posted by airsouthwest

There has been a lot of inside word from BEE though, only a few months ago there was talk of SOU become a base which still hasn't happened. I presume Eastern are operating an ATR on the PSO route so they wouldn't be able to use Heathrow now demand is back.

You obviously have not looked at the recent announcement and time tables.... SOU will be abase from March with 1x based aircraft flying EDI/GLA/MAN flights

[southamptonavgeek]

Originally Posted by Albert Hall

...the talk that they'd have 20 aircraft by the end of this year and 32 in all...

Those numbers came directly from Flybe press releases late last year:

Assisted by the global leader in regional aircraft leasing, Nordic Aviation Capital (NAC), [G-JECX] will be one of twelve on lease from NAC, with these NAC planes being some of the first to join Flybe’s planned fleet of thirty-two Dash 8-400 aircraft.

[biddedout]

I remember when the Newquay surf and second home stay-cation scene really got going about 15 years or so ago. BA started on the route with 737's from LGW and I think one or two other operators piled in too - Ryan, Easy and GO? They gradually lost interest and eventually the route was taken on and slowly grown by Flybe using Dashes and 195's. The loads were quite good and would probably be even better with LHR and its potential connections. Also, the ramping up of the BE operation ties in nicely with the reduction of domestic APD which will help offset the fact that this is not a PSO route.

Days after Flybe Mk 1 collapsed, BA and others leapt in promising to save the day but with nothing like the number of rotations and certainly not 7 dpw. Covid put an end to that and BA are only now showing a token interest and on some days are even trying to flog NQY to London via Logan and Emerald connections taking 6-9 hours. So they really aren't interested. BA's early enthusiasm was probably more to do with slot protection at LHR than the interests of the SW.

Unlike the ATR's, the Dashes can perform like jets below 10k so will be able to fit in at LHR once back to capacity so this all makes a lot of sense and with the possibility of codeshares, it is probably a very sound move.

Going back to the problems of the past. Taking on Loganair in their own back yard was not the smartest idea but it partly failed because BE tried to operate a single Embraer on a TEN sector day. Anyone with experience of the Highlands and Islands weather, remoteness and lack of engineering cover would realise that this was doomed to fail.

[BA318]

Originally Posted by airsouthwest

Erm that route along with Teeside in May 202 are both axed. Loganair no longer fly into Heathrow and given the current improved passenger outlook I don't think ATRs are allowed into Heathrow as they are too slow.

https://thepointsguy.co.uk/news/loganair-flies-to-lhr/

Might want to check Flightradar24 which shows LM675 and LM676 operating daily between IOM and LHR.

https://www.businesstraveller.com/bu...london-routes/

[BHX5DME]

Originally Posted by airsouthwest

I stand corrected on that then. I'm surprised RYR have flights from BHX to ORK as I wouldn't have thought there is enough demand to fill a 737 compared to an ATR or Q400.

And always more or less full !
Increases from 3pw to 5pw this Winter

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by airsouthwest

Erm that route along with Teeside in May 2022 are both axed. Loganair no longer fly into Heathrow and given the current improved passenger outlook I don't think ATRs are allowed into Heathrow as they are too slow.

https://thepointsguy.co.uk/news/loganair-flies-to-lhr/

Finger on the pulse as never. Teesside was axed alongside one of the based aircraft but IOM was restored with help from the IOM Govt. It had previously been a BA route flown by a......Loganair ATR. There is no bar nor has there ever been a bar on the ATR into LHR.

[mart901]

Originally Posted by BHX5DME

And always more or less full !
Increases from 3pw to 5pw this Winter

It's had a mixture of RE ATR double daily + WW 737 several days per week and in more recent times EIR up to 3x daily pre covid. Going back it's had maersk/brymon doing BAC 1-11 flights too, definitely high demand.

[oapilot]

Originally Posted by biddedout

I remember when the Newquay surf and second home stay-cation scene really got going about 15 years or so ago. BA started on the route with 737's from LGW and I think one or two other operators piled in too - Ryan, Easy and GO? They gradually lost interest and eventually the route was taken on and slowly grown by Flybe using Dashes and 195's.

Before Flybe got involved Gatwick effectively subsidised the whole of Air Southwests network, allowing it to provide links on thin routes across the U.K. Flybe uwanted it, and used ticket price to get it, taking ASW down and losing the Southwest most of its local connectivity. I could never understand how they took a route making several million a year and turn it into a PSO.

Going back to the problems of the past. Taking on Loganair in their own back yard was not the smartest idea but it partly failed because BE tried to operate a single Embraer on a TEN sector day. Anyone with experience of the Highlands and Islands weather, remoteness and lack of engineering cover would realise that this was doomed to fail

The Sumburgh ten sector special was amusing, but they also lost hands down on Kirkwall and Stornaway which were operated by other airframes.

It was deja vu but up against an operator that would rather go to the wall than roll over and let Flybe have what it wanted.

[cavokblues]

I am a tad surprised we've not yet seen Flybe take up LHR EDI on the BMI remedy slots.

[SWBKCB]

Originally Posted by cavokblues

I am a tad surprised we've not yet seen Flybe take up LHR EDI on the BMI remedy slots.

Cos it worked so well last time?

[cavokblues]

Ha! But potentially more pickings than Leeds - LHR was ever going to have and they're going up against BA and others on LHR - BHD and AMS so I thought it might have been considered.

[Sotonsean]

SOU

With future expansion and with the prospect of Flybe opening up a Southampton base could we possibly see a few more routes announced for summer 2023.

Possible destinations from Southampton alongside there existing services could be to,

​​​​​Jersey
La Rochelle
​​​​​​LeedsNantes
Rennes
Paris CDG

It's just a suggestion obviously.

[Del Prado]

Originally Posted by Sotonsean

With future expansion and with the prospect of Flybe opening up a Southampton base could we possibly see a few more routes announced for summer 2023.

Possible destinations from Southampton alongside there existing services could be to,

​​​​​Jersey
La Rochelle
​​​​​​LeedsNantes
Rennes
Paris CDG

It's just a suggestion obviously.

Dont forget Bergerac. SOU-EGC was their most profitable international route.

[SKOJB]

Originally Posted by Del Prado

Dont forget Bergerac. SOU-EGC was their most profitable international route.

Don’t BA already operate that several times a week?

[Sotonsean]

Originally Posted by SKOJB

Don’t BA already operate that several times a week?

BA do indeed fly from Southampton to Bergerac several times a week. But then again Loganair fly multiple times a day between Edinburgh and Glasgow to Southampton. That didn't stop Flybe announcing those two routes in their latest route announcements.

I have to admit that I had totally overlooked Bergerac in my list.

With regards to Southampton to Paris CDG, I much prefer Air France to resume the route rather than Flybe.

[Del Prado]

Originally Posted by SKOJB

Don’t BA already operate that several times a week?

Not really. They do a LCY-EGC-SOU on a Saturday, sometimes another SOU-EGC after that, then reverse on a Sunday and only in the summer. Occasionally Tuesdays too but only school summer hols.
The Saturday flight has been cancelled a lot this summer.

Flybe operated the route daily May-Oct and then 2,3 or 5 times a week the rest of the year.

This shows how profitable the route was but it’s a repost as I copied it from the old thread.

https://www.anna.aero/2020/10/23/fly...till-unserved/

[SWBKCB]

Originally Posted by Del Prado

This shows how profitable the route was but it’s a repost as I copied it from the old thread.

https://www.anna.aero/2020/10/23/fly...till-unserved/

So which is right - anna.aero's most profitable routes or Flybe2 have all Flybe1's data?