Bournemouth-5

[AVBH]

It is alleged that cargo will be further ramping up once again imminently. The current 3x weekly A340 to China is proving to be a success, despite busy commercial ops.
Despite the W23 schedule increasing slightly on last year, it’s disappointing to see a lack of new routes.

[Groundloop]

Originally Posted by AVBH

The current 3x weekly A340 to China is proving to be a success, despite busy commercial ops.

Don't understand what this is trying to say.

[LW940]

Looking at Ryanair it doesn’t look like DUB is on sale yet for winter! Maybe with the loads from April/May, the route may be doubtful going into the winter season?

April - 70% LF 132 pax
May - 61% LF 115 pax

[AVBH]

Originally Posted by Groundloop

Don't understand what this is trying to say.

Sadly there had been some negative publicity regarding staffing levels at the airport which inadvertently were affecting commercial operations.
I imagine an airport the size of BOH must have a shared pool of personnel who are involved in commercial & cargo ops.
Based on the consistently efficient turnaround of cargo aircraft, it is clear that despite a busy summer schedule (in BOH terms), cargo is not being compromised. It seems the airport is coping well, which is encouraging for yet another busy S24.

[SKOJB]

Originally Posted by AVBH

Sadly there had been some negative publicity regarding staffing levels at the airport which inadvertently were affecting commercial operations.
I imagine an airport the size of BOH must have a shared pool of personnel who are involved in commercial & cargo ops.
Based on the consistently efficient turnaround of cargo aircraft, it is clear that despite a busy summer schedule (in BOH terms), cargo is not being compromised. It seems the airport is coping well, which is encouraging for yet another busy S24.

Good to hear both commercial and cargo are going well, what effect however will any additional SOU S24 flying possibly have on passenger numbers? Guess that is something BOH management will be very wary of!

[SWBKCB]

Aren't BOH's operators busy selling their summer 24 flights?

[SKOJB]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

Aren't BOH's operators busy selling their summer 24 flights?

I agree and maybe effect RYR flight only more than TUI with holidays already on sale. Was just a thought I had

[AVBH]

Originally Posted by SKOJB

Good to hear both commercial and cargo are going well, what effect however will any additional SOU S24 flying possibly have on passenger numbers? Guess that is something BOH management will be very wary of!

TUI already have S24 on sale. Two base aircraft, an increase in current schedule & 1 new route. It was rumoured earlier on Pprune that Ryanair were increasing their base aircraft to 3. Not sure how legitimate this may be.

SOU & BOH are very different places. SOU is nowhere near as superior to BOH as some people make it out to be. It has better transport links & a nice bar before security. That’s about it. SOU is a major transport hub for domestic flights, business & leisure. IMO, I think it’s unlikely SOU will ever compete directly with BOH. With current infrastructure, I believe SOU could perhaps manage some additional extra international routes. Certainly not enough to warrant TUI, Ryanair or EasyJet to create a hub. I believe BOH will continue to tick over commercially not exceeding 1.2M but not dipping below 750K passengers.

All personal assumptions of course.

[SKOJB]

Originally Posted by AVBH

TUI already have S24 on sale. Two base aircraft, an increase in current schedule & 1 new route. It was rumoured earlier on Pprune that Ryanair were increasing their base aircraft to 3. Not sure how legitimate this may be.

SOU & BOH are very different places. SOU is nowhere near as superior to BOH as some people make it out to be. It has better transport links & a nice bar before security. That’s about it. SOU is a major transport hub for domestic flights, business & leisure. IMO, I think it’s unlikely SOU will ever compete directly with BOH. With current infrastructure, I believe SOU could perhaps manage some additional extra international routes. Certainly not enough to warrant TUI, Ryanair or EasyJet to create a hub. I believe BOH will continue to tick over commercially not exceeding 1.2M but not dipping below 750K passengers.

All personal assumptions of course.

I was in no way assuming SOU is superior to BOH, instead only a thought that if added summer flying from SOU does happen, with easyjet as some have suggested, would this detract from BOH in any shape or form, genuine question of which I have no idea!

[rustythumb]

Originally Posted by AVBH

TUI already have S24 on sale. Two base aircraft, an increase in current schedule & 1 new route. It was rumoured earlier on Pprune that Ryanair were increasing their base aircraft to 3. Not sure how legitimate this may be.

SOU & BOH are very different places. SOU is nowhere near as superior to BOH as some people make it out to be. It has better transport links & a nice bar before security. That’s about it. SOU is a major transport hub for domestic flights, business & leisure. IMO, I think it’s unlikely SOU will ever compete directly with BOH. With current infrastructure, I believe SOU could perhaps manage some additional extra international routes. Certainly not enough to warrant TUI, Ryanair or EasyJet to create a hub. I believe BOH will continue to tick over commercially not exceeding 1.2M but not dipping below 750K passengers.

All personal assumptions of course.

Yes, I think as most would agree a single airport on the south coast would probably really thrive and perhaps have a throughput similar to LBA, but since that's not a likely or welcome scenario I think it's important to embrace BOU & SOU's different roles and markets. BOU is always going to struggle with catchment and while SOU theoretically has a larger catchment, it is 30 miles closer to LHR and LGW than BOH is.

[AVBH]

Originally Posted by SKOJB

I was in no way assuming SOU is superior to BOH, instead only a thought that if added summer flying from SOU does happen, with easyjet as some have suggested, would this detract from BOH in any shape or form, genuine question of which I have no idea!

I know. As I said, some people make out that SOU is superior to BOH. It’s often mentioned in reviews & has been mentioned on here a number of times.
With many things, this forum is mostly speculation (there’s no problem with that). It will be interesting to see whether BOH & SOU gain any additional routes and/or operations for S24.

[LTNman]

Originally Posted by BWSBoy6

Is the rumour also true that RYR at BOH is so busy that crew are having to be ‘bussed’ in from other bases to ensure adequate cover? If so, this can surely only be good news for the industry - and particularly the airport.
Anyone in the know able to confirm this?

Or it could be the case that Ryanair don’t want to base the actual crew required, as they are not yet committed to maintaining the existing level of services or might even be planning the odd cut back.

SOU & BOH are very different places. SOU is nowhere near as superior to BOH as some people make it out to be. It has better transport links

Transport links is BOH achilles heel. It hasn’t got any that is usable for most passengers so the impact should not be be underestimated. No trains, no National Express, no bus service apart from twice a day and nothing at weekends or bank holidays meaning the service is aimed at getting people to work and not meeting airport passenger needs.

[MARKEYD]

An excellent set of passenger figures for June which saw just shy of 115 , 000 passengers go through the airport

Bournemouth is now in the middle between Belfast City and Cardiff

Obviously the 2 nd based Ryanair has done the trick this year and hopefully with a 2 nd based TUI next year things will continue to improve

( still find it baffling though there is zero public transport links to the airport !! )

Palma saw a whopping 20 , 000 passengers and increased capacity to Malaga, Alicante , Faro and Gerona also saw big improvements

Ryanair should start to realise there Summer 24 schedule next month

[SealinkBF]

Re: public transport

What's surprising is how rubbish the service is 🤣

https://bustimes.org/services/737-bo...outh-airport-3

[dixi188]

The bus service is aimed at the industrial site workers in the NW quarter.
I don't think the airport operators want public transport as they can make a lot of money fron car parking and drop off charges.
The road to the terminal doesn't even have a foot path and a sign says "No Pedestrians".

[AVBH]

Originally Posted by dixi188

The bus service is aimed at the industrial site workers in the NW quarter.
I don't think the airport operators want public transport as they can make a lot of money fron car parking and drop off charges.
The road to the terminal doesn't even have a foot path and a sign says "No Pedestrians".

I think it’s very easy to jump to conclusions with regards to the “No Pedestrians” signage and lack of foot paths. Parley Lane has minimal foot traffic. Due to the nature of the road, there is nowhere appropriate for a vehicle to drop off passengers and allow them to enter the airport on foot.
Likewise, it doesn’t seem appropriate to allow vehicles to stop and drop off on the access road into the airport. It will cause traffic and be a hazard to pedestrians, more so since the increased schedule for cargo (large articulated lorries).
By installing a footpath, I believe it would almost encourage individuals to be dropped off and walk into the airport.
I suppose the only alternative would be for the airport to purchase some additional land & allow lay-by installation. This all involves cost & also willingness of the land owner to sell their land.

A National Express service would be the even better option!

[dixi188]

People do drop-offs at the entrance to the NMSB quarry opposite the airport entrance. Quite a few people walk to the terminal along the road.
Before the current terminal was built there was a footpath.

[MARKEYD]

Bit of a “ Rumour “ and I repeat “ Rumour “ going around , that the airport is possibly looking at the potential of extending the runway again for the cargo operation with the A340s of European to China etc

Is this a possibility within the airport boundaries, I am guessing it would have to be the threshold of runway 26 to be of any potential ?

[SWBKCB]

I'd love to read that business case

[Flitefone]

How to extend a runway without pouring concrete

Originally Posted by MARKEYD

Bit of a “ Rumour “ and I repeat “ Rumour “ going around , that the airport is possibly looking at the potential of extending the runway again for the cargo operation with the A340s of European to China etc

Is this a possibility within the airport boundaries, I am guessing it would have to be the threshold of runway 26 to be of any potential ?

A physical extension is highly unlikely for a host of reasons, that are widely known, but!

The location of the road at the western end currently requires that the 08 threshold be displaced (not unlike Runway 20 and railways at Southampton).

At Hurn with the displaced threshold the 08 landing distances for a heavy aircraft will be marginal at times, for instance a wet runway and little/no headwind.

However with operating measures to close the road for 08 landings when required (traffic lights/barriers for instance), it should be possible to move the 08 threshold markers closer to the western end of the runway while meeting CAA requirements. And voila, you have improved landing distance on 08, closer to or equal to those on 26.

A runway extension with no runway extension if you see what I mean.

It would necessitate moving the ILS Glide Path, new runway threshold and touch down markers and revised lighting. As well as traffic controls perhaps even barriers on the road for the few occasions when an aircraft wishes to use 08 for landing.

Conversely the 08 Take Off Distance Available is excellent, whereas 26 is somewhat impeded by the road. The 08 measures might also permit improvements to 26 take off distances for instance with arrester tools such as EMAS.

There is almost certainly some scope for achievable improvement of the usable distances without actually extending the runway.


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