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Old 22nd Apr 2023, 06:59
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Originally Posted by rog747
Hurn, Bournemouth Airport has always really been a holiday airport situated up a country village lane and the transport infrastructure has never really been addressed to serve it.
Folk on package holidays will be dropped off by family/friends/taxis or they will park their car at the airport car parks.

No real effort has ever been made to have an airport bus link to town, although attempts do vary...Nothing will change, even with TUI and Ryanair having 4 x 737 types based there next summer24.
If there are 4 departures leaving within 0600h and 0730h there will be close to 800 pax departing -
Hope the ground handling agents have started planning their staff requirements for April 2024 onwards to ensure they can cope.

BTW EXT has far better public transport links these days.

Flying from/to on holiday at Hurn is great - as long as you have a lift booked, or your motor is in the car park.
As previously stated, a new dedicated access route needs to be installed to serve those approaching from the A338. A junction serving North & Southbound traffic should be considered for airport access.

Currently the road network is unlikely to cope. Especially in main commuting hours. The airport entrance has two schools sited for example. With cargo in mind too, there will be a large number of lorries also clogging up the current route.

A new access route would require building on undeveloped and protected land, however it would provide more benefits than negatives.
 
Old 22nd Apr 2023, 11:49
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Originally Posted by Sharklet_321
Quite astonishing that BOH is achieving this growth with no public transport links whatsoever.

I think at some airports like Luton, the proportion of passengers using public transport to access the airport is like 20-25%? Bournemouth is really limiting its potential not catering to people that canít drive.
Come on guys, no one is flying from BOH because of the airport. Itís purely to get the cheap fairs. Itís the same argument when you meet people down this way who go all the way to Stanstead to catch a flight. If the cheap operators move somewhere else all the passengers will follow. Itís very precarious which is why you wonít see any investment from BOH. There has always been a make hay whilst the sun shines vibe going on. They will always have their bucket and spades market for all the old people that retire down that way but nothing more.

looking at the cargo ops is the same issue, European Cargo is owned by a pure chancer who did very well building a cargo business to bring PPE in during the pandemic. Now the demand for PPE is at a level that normal cargo hubs can provide you have a bunch of aircraft sitting around doing nothing. Any cargo operator would be mad to put their freight through an airport with poor road connections.

BOH does very well having fingers in many pies but none of them are ever going to be anything to write home about. Think about Bournemouth as an actual place and what there is there to even stimulate a sizeable customer base in the first place. Itís never going to happen in the same way a Blackpool or a Manston is never going to happen.
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Old 22nd Apr 2023, 13:18
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint
Come on guys, no one is flying from BOH because of the airport. Itís purely to get the cheap fairs. .
Absolute garbage. I fly from BOH because it's 5 miles up the road - nothing to do with cheap fares - because often they aren't cheap!!
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Old 22nd Apr 2023, 13:22
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Absolute garbage. I fly from BOH because it's 5 miles up the road - nothing to do with cheap fares - because often they aren't cheap!!
I can concur with that 100% - for me BOH and SOU are my easy go-to airports, with even EXT too rather than slog up to BRS or LGW.

I don't think cheap fares come in to it except on some of the Ryanair routes
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Old 22nd Apr 2023, 15:24
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TUI charge a premium to fly from BOH versus LGW or other London airports. Ryanair on some days are £500 return for a flight to Spain.

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Old 22nd Apr 2023, 21:25
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I don't really quite understand why Bournemouth's situation is seemingly anymore precarious than a lot of other airports?
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Old 23rd Apr 2023, 00:04
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint
Come on guys, no one is flying from BOH because of the airport. Itís purely to get the cheap fairs. Itís the same argument when you meet people down this way who go all the way to Stanstead to catch a flight. If the cheap operators move somewhere else all the passengers will follow. Itís very precarious which is why you wonít see any investment from BOH. There has always been a make hay whilst the sun shines vibe going on. They will always have their bucket and spades market for all the old people that retire down that way but nothing more.

looking at the cargo ops is the same issue, European Cargo is owned by a pure chancer who did very well building a cargo business to bring PPE in during the pandemic. Now the demand for PPE is at a level that normal cargo hubs can provide you have a bunch of aircraft sitting around doing nothing. Any cargo operator would be mad to put their freight through an airport with poor road connections.

BOH does very well having fingers in many pies but none of them are ever going to be anything to write home about. Think about Bournemouth as an actual place and what there is there to even stimulate a sizeable customer base in the first place. Itís never going to happen in the same way a Blackpool or a Manston is never going to happen.
Do you actually know Bournemouth? BCP Council population is 400+K! A massive mobile travel minded student population circa 20k, a well known large number of travel minded retirees, a large number of commuting well paid workers. Not adding in the adjacent towns in Dorset and Hampshire. Blackpool has a population of 141k.

The flights are not Ďcheapí the local community of which I am one use the airport regularly for ease of use and are happy to pay the extra. A FR or TUI flight is often considerably more from BOH on the main routes than it is from major airports. I know this as I choose to pay rather than travel further. The fact TUI are expanding as have FR seem to align to this. Itís convenient and a rather nice clean modern airport. If it ever needs to expand I am sure the capacity is there to do so without much difficulty. I canít see that happening as it will take another 250k managed well IMO.

Yes public transport is appalling. A transport hub circuit shuttle bus to the local 3 stations (again to point out BCP has 3 stations within a short distance of the airport, a further 3 more not far further), would be a sensible investment by a mix of the airport:local authority, but like all public transport it needs to be run continuously at regular hours for it become known and used well. Not a few hours a day to suit the business park or abandoned after a few months.

On another matter not related. Some time ago I remember issues with people creating a SOU vs BOH negative environment on each respective page. It wasnít pleasant then and I hope it isnít creeping in again. If you donít use or like BOH or SOU for that matter, donít use them. Enjoy the good news from both on their respective pages.
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AnywayÖÖ It seems that cargo ops have resumed. A European A340 (G-ECLB) is due in Bournemouth today having been in China the last few days. Hopefully this is the start of a routine schedule between Bournemouth & China with regards to cargo.
 
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I was of course referring to FR that no passenger likes as an operation and who certainly have no loyalty with anybody so hence the precarious comment.
I think you will find they carry more passengers in Europe than any other airline.

I flew with them last month. Very satisfactory. They do exactly what they say on the tin. If people don't measure their bags and pay if need be it's their look out.

If by precarious you mean they don't go anywhere where they can't make money or get a good deal or stay if that changes that's business. Supermarkets are much the same.
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Ryanair have started to load there winter 2034/24 schedule and some more increases in there routes which is great news

ALC 3 flights to x 4
AGP. 2 flights to x 3
TFS 1 flight to x 2
MLA 1 flight to x 2
FAO 2 flights to x 3

Las Palmas , Venice and Lanzarote continue into winter now as does Krakow and Wrocław

The BOH based aircraft is now used every day for services rather than just 3 x week this past winter

Edinburgh, Budapest and Dublin still to be loaded

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Ryanair have started to load there winter 2034/24 schedule and some more increases in there routes which is great news

ALC 3 flights to x 4
AGP. 2 flights to x 3
TFS 1 flight to x 2
MLA 1 flight to x 2

Las Palmas , Venice and Lanzarote continue into winter now as does Krakow and Wrocław

The BOH based aircraft is now used every day for services rather than just 3 x week this past winter

Faro , Edinburgh, Budapest and Dublin still to be loaded
Great news. I am sincerely hoping the addition of some previously successful routes such at Prague & Lisbon. Interesting to see EasyJet have reduced their Geneva schedule for W23/24.
 
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Interesting to see EasyJet have reduced their Geneva schedule for W23/24.[/QUOTE]

The EasyJet schedule is the same as in past seasons itís not been reduced

EasyJet in passed years have added extra dates but in a much later date
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Interesting to see EasyJet have reduced their Geneva schedule for W23/24.
The EasyJet schedule is the same as in past seasons itís not been reduced

EasyJet in passed years have added extra dates but in a much later date[/QUOTE]

I see. Hopefully we can expect to see a schedule similar to W22/23 too then.
Out of curiosity, where do you find information regarding new routes prior to them becoming available for sale?
 
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Is it just by coincidence that Jet2 Boeing 737-300, G-GDFL arrived into Bournemouth from Leeds yesterday. Looks like it's due to return North later this evening.
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Is it just by coincidence that Jet2 Boeing 737-300, G-GDFL arrived into Bournemouth from Leeds yesterday. Looks like it's due to return North later this evening.
Bournemouth v Leeds Football match. I believe the Leeds team are flying on that aircraft.

It has been rumoured however that Jet2 may be adding a new airport to their portfolio. Since they donít have much presents down south, Iím hopeful itíll be Bournemouth. Quite unlikely however.
 
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As much as I would like to see a Jet2 base at Bournemouth, I doubt it will ever happen. Bournemouth does not have the catchment size to justify it as they would want scale over and above what is a very respectable current route network with Tui and FR.

Further growth at Bournemouth would be from the likes of Wizzair resuming their flying to a few places after a 15 year gap, and perhaps a 3rd Ryanair aircraft in 2024/25? easyJet should certainly be trying Malaga, Faro, Alicante, Palma and Tenerife to give Ryanair some much needed competition on those key and quite thick routes.

Bournemouth should be able to easily process 1.5m-1.75m passengers a year, but I think that is their limit given the proximity to Heathrow, Gatwick and even Luton with its multitude of airlines, destinations and schedule choice just 90-120mins up the road. Unless the urban population of Bournemouth doubles from 400k to 800k over the next 20years, or Southampton airport closes (unlikely), I don't see where growth comes from?
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Originally Posted by shamrock7seal
As much as I would like to see a Jet2 base at Bournemouth, I doubt it will ever happen. Bournemouth does not have the catchment size to justify it as they would want scale over and above what is a very respectable current route network with Tui and FR.

Further growth at Bournemouth would be from the likes of Wizzair resuming their flying to a few places after a 15 year gap, and perhaps a 3rd Ryanair aircraft in 2024/25? easyJet should certainly be trying Malaga, Faro, Alicante, Palma and Tenerife to give Ryanair some much needed competition on those key and quite thick routes.

Bournemouth should be able to easily process 1.5m-1.75m passengers a year, but I think that is their limit given the proximity to Heathrow, Gatwick and even Luton with its multitude of airlines, destinations and schedule choice just 90-120mins up the road. Unless the urban population of Bournemouth doubles from 400k to 800k over the next 20years, or Southampton airport closes (unlikely), I don't see where growth comes from?
Cant ever see BOH getting close to those annual pax numbers and whilst RYR are in town EZY wonít get involved, instead the routes you mention will likely be tried from SOU. Agree with your thoughts on Jet2 as TUI are already expanding with a few added tour operator destinations
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Originally Posted by shamrock7seal
As much as I would like to see a Jet2 base at Bournemouth, I doubt it will ever happen. Bournemouth does not have the catchment size to justify it as they would want scale over and above what is a very respectable current route network with Tui and FR.

Further growth at Bournemouth would be from the likes of Wizzair resuming their flying to a few places after a 15 year gap, and perhaps a 3rd Ryanair aircraft in 2024/25? easyJet should certainly be trying Malaga, Faro, Alicante, Palma and Tenerife to give Ryanair some much needed competition on those key and quite thick routes.

Bournemouth should be able to easily process 1.5m-1.75m passengers a year, but I think that is their limit given the proximity to Heathrow, Gatwick and even Luton with its multitude of airlines, destinations and schedule choice just 90-120mins up the road. Unless the urban population of Bournemouth doubles from 400k to 800k over the next 20years, or Southampton airport closes (unlikely), I don't see where growth comes from?
You mention the growth may come to BOH if SOU were ever to close, but I disagree. The only airline that I could imagine may move over would be KLM. I really can't see a scenario where Aer Lingus Regional or Eastern or Blue Islands/Aurigny moved to BOH. They would do more from London instead.
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Originally Posted by Sharklet_321
You mention the growth may come to BOH if SOU were ever to close, but I disagree. The only airline that I could imagine may move over would be KLM. I really can't see a scenario where Aer Lingus Regional or Eastern or Blue Islands/Aurigny moved to BOH. They would do more from London instead.
Why would KLM consider moving from SOU when the route is predominantly a business/network feeder from AMS and has a motorway/train station on the doorstep?

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and why would Aer Lingus Regional or Eastern or Blue Islands/Aurigny move to London? Where?
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