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Old 15th Apr 2023, 18:35
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Originally Posted by Knife-Edge
No, this never happened.

There is nice head on video shot from Matchams end of a European 747 departing 08 for NY using most of the runway, but I expect the crew just used what was available rather than haul it into the air at the minimum speed. No grass was harmed.
Are you sure.
I heard it was on a flight to Sao Paulo with F1 teams on board. The story was that the load sheet did not include tha belly's being full of many tonnes of cars and equipment.
I was told there was a cover up.
But it may have been just a story.
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Old 20th Apr 2023, 08:17
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TUI are to base 2 aircraft at Bournemouth for Summer 2024

New destination is Enfidha Tunisia

The remaining operation will see the following increase in flights

Mahon x 2
Ibiza x 2
Tenerife x 2
Lanzarote x 2
Paphos x 2
Crete x 2

Great news to see TUI finally investing more into BOH , might be a little cramped with 4 based B738 in the terminal for passengers with the first wave each day but good news for sure
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Old 20th Apr 2023, 10:39
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Originally Posted by MARKEYD
Great news to see TUI finally investing more into BOH , might be a little cramped with 4 based B738 in the terminal for passengers with the first wave each day but good news for sure
Indeed great news for BOH, seems are finally tapping into the huge potential they have there, but with ref to my previous post, they definitely need to seriously think about the infrastructure now to cope with it all.
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Old 20th Apr 2023, 11:19
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Originally Posted by Dropoffcharge
Indeed great news for BOH, seems are finally tapping into the huge potential they have there, but with ref to my previous post, they definitely need to seriously think about the infrastructure now to cope with it all.
Is there an option for aircraft to be parked on coaching stands in the interim >?
Has BOH actually got any coaches >?
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Old 20th Apr 2023, 12:48
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BOH has 6 737/321 sized contact stands next to the terminal build and 5 more that would require bussing. Yes they do have busses.

the current terminal is built to cope with 3m pax per annum so itís not the infrastructure that is the issue. The public transport provision to and from the airport is the main issue. If they fixed that it would unlock the potential further. They do need early morning and late evening public transport to/from the train station in order for the airport to continue its growth trajectory.
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Old 20th Apr 2023, 16:26
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There appears to be space in the TUI summer 2024 programme for something on Wednesday morning? All other days of the week are fully allocated. Is this for rest time or can we expect another new route?
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Old 20th Apr 2023, 16:57
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No space on Wednesday morning

1 a/c BOH MAH BOH AYT BOH
2 a/c BOH PFO BOH

Wed is the only day when there is a little fire break in the schedule just in case

Plenty of room at the terminal to expand towards the arrivals building should it become necessary, just look at the ď google map ď of the terminal to see the land in between which was always the plan to fill in gradually as it became necessary

I think the biggest hurdle now is to get a regular bus service to the station and beyond , itís incredible that nothing exists at all , BOH is the worst served airport for public transport and this must now be a priority
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Old 20th Apr 2023, 19:42
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Quite astonishing that BOH is achieving this growth with no public transport links whatsoever.

I think at some airports like Luton, the proportion of passengers using public transport to access the airport is like 20-25%? Bournemouth is really limiting its potential not catering to people that canít drive.
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Old 20th Apr 2023, 19:53
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Originally Posted by Sharklet_321
Quite astonishing that BOH is achieving this growth with no public transport links whatsoever.

I think at some airports like Luton, the proportion of passengers using public transport to access the airport is like 20-25%? Bournemouth is really limiting its potential not catering to people that canít drive.
Is BOH really comparable with LTN? Any other real life data to back that up?
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Old 20th Apr 2023, 20:17
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Originally Posted by Sharklet_321
Quite astonishing that BOH is achieving this growth with no public transport links whatsoever.

I think at some airports like Luton, the proportion of passengers using public transport to access the airport is like 20-25%? Bournemouth is really limiting its potential not catering to people that canít drive.

This really is a red herring. Public transport links are a big issue for big airports. Thereís not an airport in Mainland Britain that canít be reached by car, which means they are accessible by public transport - taxi.

For most airports incl BOH, revenue from car parking and drop off fees is a significant element on the bottom line, whereas the cost/subsidy for public transport - bus in this case - is a negative rather than a plus.

The issue for most regional airports is access to routes. The big issue at Hurn has always been regular access (daily/double daily) to a decent hub for global interconnection.

For most regionals in UK that today is AMS. In future the Gulf hubs and IST probably more significant.

It really isnít about buses or trains for smaller airports. Most folks at this level use cars/taxis. It really is about routes and airport costs/revenue.

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Old 21st Apr 2023, 06:18
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Originally Posted by Flitefone
This really is a red herring. Public transport links are a big issue for big airports. Thereís not an airport in Mainland Britain that canít be reached by car, which means they are accessible by public transport - taxi.

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I agree - how many people going on a TUI holiday are going to rock up on a bus?
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Old 21st Apr 2023, 07:33
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I do understand those points, but passengers who are paying £25 for a Ryanair flight to Dublin (could mean the difference between 70% loadfactor or 80%) would prefer to use a train/bus before contemplating spending £25 or more on a taxi. Iím one of them. What other options do we have? My main point here is that some of those passengers might opt not to travel or travel less frequently due to the cost Ďhití of simply getting to/from the airport. The airport appears to be content that its geographical location is a premium when compared with the cost of getting to Heathrow or Gatwick - but that is limiting the market size/Potential.

Does the airport have a zero carbon target? Shifting people to Public transport (bus or taxi sharing) would be a big factor in meeting that target too.
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Old 21st Apr 2023, 08:27
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There was a bus, a small bus, with hardly any luggage space which operated and the times that l saw it, was almost always empty.

People get lifts with family and friends or if it's a small group or family will get a taxi. They don't want to be waiting around for a small bus to take them in to Bournemouth then have friends, family to pick them up. Small regional airports work differently to larger airports. Yes, a good bus service using a more appropriate vehicle would be great, a train link just isn't going to happen.
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Old 21st Apr 2023, 09:40
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I live in Southbourne (part of Bournemouth, to those not local. Just Googled

Bus Local services. 2 hours 41 mins = 500 mtr walk to first bus stop then 3 different buses @ £3 each * 2
Car (taxi) 13 mins £20 approx.

And when your getting the early flight bus is useless.
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Old 21st Apr 2023, 09:54
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The 737 bus runs from Bournemouth town centre to the airport but I think it's aimed at workers. 5.50 and 6.45 out and 13.35, 16.20 and 1800 return and it goes all round the NW industrial estate, (old BAC site).before getting to the terminal.
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Old 21st Apr 2023, 09:59
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Originally Posted by Sharklet_321
I do understand those points, but passengers who are paying £25 for a Ryanair flight to Dublin (could mean the difference between 70% loadfactor or 80%) would prefer to use a train/bus before contemplating spending £25 or more on a taxi. Iím one of them. What other options do we have? My main point here is that some of those passengers might opt not to travel or travel less frequently due to the cost Ďhití of simply getting to/from the airport. The airport appears to be content that its geographical location is a premium when compared with the cost of getting to Heathrow or Gatwick - but that is limiting the market size/Potential.

Does the airport have a zero carbon target? Shifting people to Public transport (bus or taxi sharing) would be a big factor in meeting that target too.
Bus perhaps, rail link not a chance. Bournemouth is at about 10% if the critical mass required to make a dedicated rail service viable. Might be that this increase in flights could justify a bus operator putting it on their route, but the vast majority of people using the airport will continue to do so by car or private hire taxi and therefore focus must be on ensuring the facilities are there to allow them to do so. As has been mentioned elsewhere, car parking is also one of the airports main sources of revenue which enabled the operator to keep charges passed on to the airlines low and encourage growth from Ryanair and TUI.
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Old 21st Apr 2023, 11:03
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When I refer to train/bus I am talking about a bus service to the train station, as the main travel interchange, from where people can then connect to Southampton etc. Of course a dedicated train link to BOH would be completely out of the question and Iím not suggesting that.
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Old 21st Apr 2023, 12:25
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Hurn, Bournemouth Airport has always really been a holiday airport situated up a country village lane and the transport infrastructure has never really been addressed to serve it.
Folk on package holidays will be dropped off by family/friends/taxis or they will park their car at the airport car parks.

No real effort has ever been made to have an airport bus link to town, although attempts do vary...Nothing will change, even with TUI and Ryanair having 4 x 737 types based there next summer24.
If there are 4 departures leaving within 0600h and 0730h there will be close to 800 pax departing -
Hope the ground handling agents have started planning their staff requirements for April 2024 onwards to ensure they can cope.

BTW EXT has far better public transport links these days.

Flying from/to on holiday at Hurn is great - as long as you have a lift booked, or your motor is in the car park.
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Old 21st Apr 2023, 12:41
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Originally Posted by rog747
If there are 4 departures leaving within 0600h and 0730h there will be close to 800 pax departing -
Hope the ground handling agents have started planning their staff requirements for April 2024 onwards to ensure they can cope
Exactly, I'd also imagine the departure terminal to be pretty cramped with long queues at the limited food outlets, not to mention when that first wave returns back mid morning, the arrivals building is woefully small and only has two baggage belts.
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Old 21st Apr 2023, 18:08
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I would imagine the airport will get a good taste of the amount of passengers checking in on mass this summer as there are up to 6 flights all arriving and checking in throughout the summer season

There are 12 check in desks and 3 baggage belts at the moment but plenty of room for expansion if needed
I should think the car park is going to be the issue going forward


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