Edinburgh-4

[ld0595]

Originally Posted by Planeraz

W23

Flights now on sale. Monday, Thursday and Saturday from EDI. B789 is the operating aircraft.

And it appears to recommence on 2nd March from Edinburgh so it restarts after only a two month hiatus. Pretty good going considering they only started mainline service at Edinburgh in 2022 and originally had planned to use the 737 MAX.

[laviation]

It baffles me how Air Canada plan to have daily A330 flights to MAN from June to October yet still won’t commit to a year round service… Air Transat capitalising on this mess

[Asturias56]

well they have many years of flying UK-Canada destinations - I'm pretty sure they know the market inside out

June Oct is the holiday season so presumably they see little business traffic

[CabinCrewe]

will be interesting to see the loads on a 789 (if that’s what ultimately comes) in depths of January. But as you say, hopefully they know the market and the Star Alliance opportunities.

[tartan 201]

Originally Posted by CabinCrewe

will be interesting to see the loads on a 789 (if that’s what ultimately comes) in depths of January. But as you say, hopefully they know the market and the Star Alliance opportunities.

I don't think it'll be that interesting. The service stops on the 8th January, so not very far into the "depths" and the few January flights they operate will no doubt still have some post Xmas / New Year VFR traffic.

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

Point is AA don't need to serve EDI to have market share, DL and UA do. It's often one stop regardless of EDI-LHR-USA or USA-US hub-EDI.

DL could similarly funnel people USA>CDG/AMS>EDI but choose to serve EDI directly. AA did see a need to serve EDI directly prior to COVID and I don't see what's fundamentally changed that that need is no longer there (accepting they don't currently have the means to do so).

The "often one stop regardless" point is true only if your origin / destination in the US has a direct AA or BA service to LHR. If not you'd have to route XXX>US hub>LHR>EDI. A direct AA service would allow you to route XXX>PHL>EDI if your origin / destination in the US has a link to PHL.

​​​​​Same point applies to those trips originating from the EDI catchment. ​​There must be plenty of high-status OW cardholders in the EDI catchment who would value a direct OW service to the US rather than changing at LHR. (Similar point made here in relation to QR at EDI).

[inOban]

Don't most one-stop pax to the US use DUB as the stop? I thought that such traffic sustained the Emerald /Air Lingus services from EDI in competition with FR.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Fair point but American got lazy, their European network is a poor 3rd to the other 2 because of BA's dominance at LHR. It used to be world leading in the B767-200 days, they pioneered smaller European airports to the US. Could they make EDI work? No doubt! Is there a real appetite to try? TBC.

[tartan 201]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

Could they make EDI work? No doubt! Is there a real appetite to try? TBC.

Almost certainly. Only question is whether they resume the route before or after the A321XLRs become available. Once they have enough of them, there's also a reasonable chance the service continues through the winter (perhaps not daily and perhaps with a gap in January and February).

[Asturias56]

"Don't most one-stop pax to the US use DUB as the stop?"

yeah so you can clear US immigration in a civilised manner and just get off on final arrival and get the hire car

[tartan 201]

Originally Posted by inOban

Don't most one-stop pax to the US use DUB as the stop? I thought that such traffic sustained the Emerald /Air Lingus services from EDI in competition with FR.

I imagine it accounts for some, but unlikely that it accounts for most. Taking today's departures as an example, there's only two departures to DUB before midday (one A320, one ATR72), compared to four to LHR. I'd assume that the latter accounts for a plurality of such transfers given the range of US destinations on offer (pre-clearance at the former notwithstanding).

[inOban]

But won't many/most of these LHR transfers be heading further S or E rather than transatlantic?

[tartan 201]

Originally Posted by inOban

But won't many/most of these LHR transfers be heading further S or E rather than transatlantic?

It's quite possible that that's the case. Even if it was though, it could still also be the case that the number of passengers who travel EDI-LHR to connect to/from the USA is more than the number who travel EDI-DUB for that purpose. Somebody somewhere will have data that answers this question definitively, but I'm afraid that person isn't me.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by inOban

But won't many/most of these LHR transfers be heading further S or E rather than transatlantic?

No, DUB has a fraction of the Oneworld transatlnatic options that LHR does as well as the lounge facilities the people in the front cabins demand. Not to mention avoiding flying on a prop.

[GAXLN]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

No, DUB has a fraction of the Oneworld transatlnatic options that LHR does as well as the lounge facilities the people in the front cabins demand. Not to mention avoiding flying on a prop.

Also interesting to note that if you want BA Tier Points then you have to book BA and that is at a significant premium to EI fares via DUB from EDI taking a quick look at ORD in June.

[monkey.tennis]

Any idea why flights are diverting at the moment?

[tartan 201]

Originally Posted by monkey.tennis

Any idea why flights are diverting at the moment?

Runway closed for an emergency repair. Reopened now though.

[Planeraz]

UA S23

EDI-IAD

764 returning on 26/5 from IAD until 28/5. 752 still currently showing as operating aircraft on other dates. More changes likely.

[tartan 201]

Originally Posted by Planeraz

UA S23

EDI-IAD

764 returning on 26/5 from IAD until 28/5. 752 still currently showing as operating aircraft on other dates. More changes likely.

The 764 seems to be operating Saturday and Sunday departures from EDI up to and including Sunday 18th June.

[tartan 201]

Future Flight: US and Canadian route growth from Edinburgh Airport ‘absolutely out of this world’The expansion of transatlantic air routes from Edinburgh is “absolutely out of this world”, but Scotland’s busiest airport does not expect to return to pre-pandemic passenger levels overall until next year, one of its leading officials has told The Scotsman.

https://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/t...-world-4097001

Behind a paywall, but includes this:

Ms Sherry said further transatlantic development was currently focused on the hubs of Edinburgh’s existing airlines.

[inOban]

I'm surprised that they're not expecting to reach pre-pandemic level until next. year, since both FR and Easyjet have more based aircraft than then. Apart from EK, what are the significant losses?