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[Planeraz]

Originally Posted by Breathe

This EDI spotters will love grabbing a snap of that. First time for an A350-1000 at EDI or have Qatar sent one in the past?

Although the S23 season is starting much later in June, it’s still a nice upgrade from the dated A333. Particularly in upper class. Qatar have used an A351 on a few occasions. Their is also speculation that they may go double daily again next year. The slots requested also indicate a double daily service.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

It's a Hell of an upgrade (+50%) from the A330-300 at 264 seats at C31W48Y185 vs. 397 on the Beach Fleet A35K at C16W56Y325. Still less than the 455 on the B747-400s that were filled out of GLA but good to see Orlando getting some love given the challenges of the £/€ exchange rate.

[GrahamK]

Strange one given that the A330s were very rarely more than 75% full.

[Sk1schoolsam]

Originally Posted by GrahamK

Strange one given that the A330s were very rarely more than 75% full.

mid I am not mistaken the EAdI flight operates with the MAN based aircraft and crew so I suspect the change to a new high density aircraft aimed at the holiday market and not biz travel is more about increasing capacity at MAN with an incidental increase for EDI as a result. Allows them to reroute a more premium heavy aircraft to more biz travel routes.

[inOban]

Also, isn't it just twice weekly, rather than three-x?

[CabinCrewe]

Originally Posted by GrahamK

Strange one given that the A330s were very rarely more than 75% full.

Seems like a MAN related logistical move. The revenue management of this sector might now be interesting for anyone interested in using it. Whether its sustainable remains to be seen given this years average loads for the whole season.

[Planeraz]

Originally Posted by Flightrider

It's not a question of re-wording, the statement is just plain wrong on several counts. The reduction in APD on domestic flights applies to passengers to/from airports in Scotland just as it does everywhere else in the UK, so passengers won't still have to pay the £13 tax but £6.50 instead.

it’s just plain wrong to rule out…when you have individuals in Sturgeons coalition of chaos determined to destroy the aviation and travel sector in Scotland.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...later-28701963
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[SWBKCB]

Slater is currently in Montreal for the UN COP15 biodiversity summit.

That must have been some train journey. With three routes dropped, not sure the new French policy is that “exciting”. How many UK routes would be impacted - less than two and a half hours by train and a low level of interlining?

[mwm991]

She's an utter clown. Routes like MAN-EDI/GLA which have decent road/rail alternatives are not returning anyway. Good luck with Scotland to SOU, BRS, EXT on the ground though.

Usual pie in the sky from the idealistic hippies. They're all jet setting and getting chauffeured anyway so who's the mugs?

[tictack67]

Originally Posted by mwm991

She's an utter clown. Routes like MAN-EDI/GLA which have decent road/rail alternatives are not returning anyway. Good luck with Scotland to SOU, BRS, EXT on the ground though.

Usual pie in the sky from the idealistic hippies. They're all jet setting and getting chauffeured anyway so who's the mugs?

Edinburgh to Manchester in 3.5 hrs by train (219 miles) , Madrid to Malaga is 2.5hrs by train (320miles) where the Spanish train goes at 100km hour faster than UK.

That's before any train ticket cost differential.

Then yes. Who is the mug
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[nighthawk117]

United just ordered 100 787s with options for 100 more

I guess this will be forming the transatlantic fleet in future.

[CabinCrewe]

if the XLRs come on line first, suspect you're locally more likely to be seeing them

[Sk1schoolsam]

Originally Posted by nighthawk117

United just ordered 100 787s with options for 100 more

I guess this will be forming the transatlantic fleet in future.

Are there not a few unused 787’s ex Norwegian lying around that could be leased and repurposed by United and AA if they’re short of metal. I am sure there’s a couple even at PIK still.

[Sk1schoolsam]

Originally Posted by CabinCrewe

if the XLRs come on line first, suspect you're locally more likely to be seeing them

Don’t disagree but the A321 will have a very similar capacity to the current B757 and considering there used to be 2-3 daily flights by UA from Central Scotland to Newark and now only one it’s also not unreasonable that they might consider a larger frame in the future especially in the peak summer. I understand the route load factors on this route have been strong this year.

[A350Saltire]

Originally Posted by Sk1schoolsam

Don’t disagree but the A321 will have a very similar capacity to the current B757 and considering there used to be 2-3 daily flights by UA from Central Scotland to Newark and now only one it’s also not unreasonable that they might consider a larger frame in the future especially in the peak summer. I understand the route load factors on this route have been strong this year.

Agree I suspect we might get a 787 on EWR or IAD and A321s on the other routes.

[nighthawk117]

Originally Posted by Sk1schoolsam

Don’t disagree but the A321 will have a very similar capacity to the current B757 and considering there used to be 2-3 daily flights by UA from Central Scotland to Newark and now only one it’s also not unreasonable that they might consider a larger frame in the future especially in the peak summer. I understand the route load factors on this route have been strong this year.

The flight has been completely full for the last few months at least.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

EDI-EWR is a strong B787 candidate, and they're going to have a massive fleet to play with. Given the huge size of the order, they may have sub-fleets tailored towards leisure markets that would be a better fit rather than the current Polaris heavy layouts.

[A350Saltire]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

EDI-EWR is a strong B787 candidate, and they're going to have a massive fleet to play with. Given the huge size of the order, they may have sub-fleets tailored towards leisure markets that would be a better fit rather than the current Polaris heavy layouts.

I agree but IAD was the one this year that saw the 764 over a 752.

[Rutan16]

Originally Posted by A350Saltire

I agree but IAD was the one this year that saw the 764 over a 752.

The 764s used on Washington were NOT driven by demand more rather aircraft utilisation .

The 764 is primarily used on economy heavy routes from the east coast whilst most of the 763 fleet are now very premium heavy

Indeed those premium heavy 763s have Fewer seats than the 757s and just 99 in steerage and I don’t think the 757 are used on many other routes from Dulles anyway.

I suppose the question remains why/if Washington ( albeit limited programme) is even viable to be honest - Except as a secondary feeder and spoke beyond IAD and reliever for Newark ( that was the case at Manchester a few years back)

No disrespect Edinburgh must have cut a favourable deal with United and Delta behind the scenes.

And true high season US point of sale is a magnitude stronger than Manchester however falls off a cliff pretty quickly.

[4eyed anorak]

Out of curiosity, has the C.A.A. stop publishing the monthly airport data? Nothing put up since the September readings were taken.

Regards 4ea