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The domestic schedule is constricting substantially,take Manchester for example ,there are now no flights from Southampton!,it wasn't long ago when there were multi departures !. Southampton PAX have been very disappointing ,looking at CAA April figure for example ,the airport is compared to all regional airports very depressed.
Its essential that the runway extension is started to allow Southampton to allow profitable larger aircraft to operate,without it the future of the airport is unsure.
The domestic schedule is constricting substantially,take Manchester for example ,there are now no flights from Southampton!,it wasn't long ago when there were multi departures !. Southampton PAX have been very disappointing ,looking at CAA April figure for example ,the airport is compared to all regional airports very depressed.
Its essential that the runway extension is started to allow Southampton to allow profitable larger aircraft to operate,without it the future of the airport is unsure.
From the Airport Expansion Opposition Southampton (AXO) website:
"Obviously we are very disappointed in the judge’s finding against the judicial review, though there remains the possibility of an appeal. Our main concern is for the changing climate and local people who will end up suffering a lot more aircraft noise. We call on the airport to genuinely engage with the people who will be affected, and to do everything they can to encourage airlines to use less noisy jets. We also call on them to be honest about flying’s damaging effects on the climate (which extend far beyond the ‘direct operations’ they are promising to make ‘net zero’) and the implausibility of ‘green’ aviation being available on a large enough scale in time to avert climate catastrophe.”
Only saying "possibility of an appeal" IMHO this might indicate the end of the road for any further anti runway extension lobbying. Can anyone indicate the time limit for lodging an appeal in respect of the Judicial Review decision? Have tried on line but have no been able to determine it.
"Obviously we are very disappointed in the judge’s finding against the judicial review, though there remains the possibility of an appeal. Our main concern is for the changing climate and local people who will end up suffering a lot more aircraft noise. We call on the airport to genuinely engage with the people who will be affected, and to do everything they can to encourage airlines to use less noisy jets. We also call on them to be honest about flying’s damaging effects on the climate (which extend far beyond the ‘direct operations’ they are promising to make ‘net zero’) and the implausibility of ‘green’ aviation being available on a large enough scale in time to avert climate catastrophe.”
Only saying "possibility of an appeal" IMHO this might indicate the end of the road for any further anti runway extension lobbying. Can anyone indicate the time limit for lodging an appeal in respect of the Judicial Review decision? Have tried on line but have no been able to determine it.
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From the Airport Expansion Opposition Southampton (AXO) website:
"Obviously we are very disappointed in the judge’s finding against the judicial review, though there remains the possibility of an appeal. Our main concern is for the changing climate and local people who will end up suffering a lot more aircraft noise. We call on the airport to genuinely engage with the people who will be affected, and to do everything they can to encourage airlines to use less noisy jets. We also call on them to be honest about flying’s damaging effects on the climate (which extend far beyond the ‘direct operations’ they are promising to make ‘net zero’) and the implausibility of ‘green’ aviation being available on a large enough scale in time to avert climate catastrophe.”
Only saying "possibility of an appeal" IMHO this might indicate the end of the road for any further anti runway extension lobbying. Can anyone indicate the time limit for lodging an appeal in respect of the Judicial Review decision? Have tried on line but have no been able to determine it.
"Obviously we are very disappointed in the judge’s finding against the judicial review, though there remains the possibility of an appeal. Our main concern is for the changing climate and local people who will end up suffering a lot more aircraft noise. We call on the airport to genuinely engage with the people who will be affected, and to do everything they can to encourage airlines to use less noisy jets. We also call on them to be honest about flying’s damaging effects on the climate (which extend far beyond the ‘direct operations’ they are promising to make ‘net zero’) and the implausibility of ‘green’ aviation being available on a large enough scale in time to avert climate catastrophe.”
Only saying "possibility of an appeal" IMHO this might indicate the end of the road for any further anti runway extension lobbying. Can anyone indicate the time limit for lodging an appeal in respect of the Judicial Review decision? Have tried on line but have no been able to determine it.
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From the Airport Expansion Opposition Southampton (AXO) website:
"Obviously we are very disappointed in the judge’s finding against the judicial review, though there remains the possibility of an appeal. Our main concern is for the changing climate and local people who will end up suffering a lot more aircraft noise. We call on the airport to genuinely engage with the people who will be affected, and to do everything they can to encourage airlines to use less noisy jets. We also call on them to be honest about flying’s damaging effects on the climate (which extend far beyond the ‘direct operations’ they are promising to make ‘net zero’) and the implausibility of ‘green’ aviation being available on a large enough scale in time to avert climate catastrophe.”
Only saying "possibility of an appeal" IMHO this might indicate the end of the road for any further anti runway extension lobbying. Can anyone indicate the time limit for lodging an appeal in respect of the Judicial Review decision? Have tried on line but have no been able to determine it.
"Obviously we are very disappointed in the judge’s finding against the judicial review, though there remains the possibility of an appeal. Our main concern is for the changing climate and local people who will end up suffering a lot more aircraft noise. We call on the airport to genuinely engage with the people who will be affected, and to do everything they can to encourage airlines to use less noisy jets. We also call on them to be honest about flying’s damaging effects on the climate (which extend far beyond the ‘direct operations’ they are promising to make ‘net zero’) and the implausibility of ‘green’ aviation being available on a large enough scale in time to avert climate catastrophe.”
Only saying "possibility of an appeal" IMHO this might indicate the end of the road for any further anti runway extension lobbying. Can anyone indicate the time limit for lodging an appeal in respect of the Judicial Review decision? Have tried on line but have no been able to determine it.
That aside, this is great news for the airport and hopefully we will see works start very soon. It’s a shame they not also adding the northern taxi link whilst all the equipment is there though.
Give AGS credit, they appear to be doing all possible to grow the business, most unlike their predecessors.
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Please excuse me banging on about it, subject of an ancient post of mine prior to Southampton-3 thread, have been there before when the runway was being re-surfaced, contractors and asphalt plant on site, engineer's estimated cost at the time, £40K! Has gone down in history as one of B****y Awful Airport's many SOU c***k ups, together with the Short Term Car Park eastern boundary (preventing Stand 8-11 development) and the Post Office building site (originally part of the airport site-Stand development and even a second Terminal?).
Give AGS credit, they appear to be doing all possible to grow the business, most unlike their predecessors.
Give AGS credit, they appear to be doing all possible to grow the business, most unlike their predecessors.
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Agreed that AGS are doing all they can to improve the airport and this will finally come to fruition shortly. Mistakes have been made by previous owners and one of those was not adding a northern taxiway. Even now (before an extra 164m) you have long backtracks for 20 departure and BA arrivals on 02 are having to turn back on 37m width of runway to then exit at the mid point. Things would be so much easier if a small piece of tarmac was laid down. Been told this is part of phase 2 developments although will most likely never be done!
Remember one of my more memorable backtracks, early on a Saturday morning with a Spanair MD83 about to turn on to the ILS, KLM UK ATR 72 at Hold B when I offered a line-up “MD83 at nine miles can you give me an expeditious backtrack (which they were normally very good at) and immediate take-off?” with a reply “Affirm”.
Decided to go for it, with an impressive backtrack resulting, cleared for immediate take-off, but then lined up and sat there, and sat there. No alternative but to cancel take-off and instruct the MD83 to “go around”. This resulted in a somewhat high decibel response which apparently didn’t go down well with Eastleigh residents that early on a Saturday morning.
That evening’s Southern Echo headline “Seconds from disaster”!
I kept my job, without criticism, although that KLM UK crew were temporarily off my Xmas card list! Appeared that the “cabin securred” call was awaited.
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Agreed that AGS are doing all they can to improve the airport and this will finally come to fruition shortly. Mistakes have been made by previous owners and one of those was not adding a northern taxiway. Even now (before an extra 164m) you have a long backtrack for 20 departures and all arrivals on 02 are having to turn back on 37m width of runway to then exit at the mid point. Been told this is part of phase 2 developments although will most likely never be done!
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Southampton will have a new runway length of 1,887m with the new extension.
Other airports in the UK with similar runway lengths:
INV 1,887m
NWI 1,841m
BLK 1,869m
SEN 1,856m
BHD 1,829m
Can't think of any others?
Interesting that they all have similar regional type services. This illustrates that the extension is not really a threat at all to BOH and both should be able to continue operating in a complimentary fashion to each other long into the future.
It's essential for SOU to get their extension done fast in order to prevent its existing operators from having to resort to payload penalties with wet/windy/hot conditions. It will unburden easyJet on GVA which at times operates with payload penalties; likewise Loganair with their ERJ-145's which at times have payload issues. I am unsure of any BA Cityflyer payload issues - I would doubt they have any since they operate from LCY with a runway length of just 1,508m!
Other airports in the UK with similar runway lengths:
INV 1,887m
NWI 1,841m
BLK 1,869m
SEN 1,856m
BHD 1,829m
Can't think of any others?
Interesting that they all have similar regional type services. This illustrates that the extension is not really a threat at all to BOH and both should be able to continue operating in a complimentary fashion to each other long into the future.
It's essential for SOU to get their extension done fast in order to prevent its existing operators from having to resort to payload penalties with wet/windy/hot conditions. It will unburden easyJet on GVA which at times operates with payload penalties; likewise Loganair with their ERJ-145's which at times have payload issues. I am unsure of any BA Cityflyer payload issues - I would doubt they have any since they operate from LCY with a runway length of just 1,508m!
You have to remember that it is not just runway length that affects RTOW. There are several other factors, one of which is obstacle clearance, which is a significant factor for SOU.
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Southampton will have a new runway length of 1,887m with the new extension.
Other airports in the UK with similar runway lengths:
INV 1,887m
NWI 1,841m
BLK 1,869m
SEN 1,856m
BHD 1,829m
Can't think of any others?
Interesting that they all have similar regional type services. This illustrates that the extension is not really a threat at all to BOH and both should be able to continue operating in a complimentary fashion to each other long into the future.
It's essential for SOU to get their extension done fast in order to prevent its existing operators from having to resort to payload penalties with wet/windy/hot conditions. It will unburden easyJet on GVA which at times operates with payload penalties; likewise Loganair with their ERJ-145's which at times have payload issues. I am unsure of any BA Cityflyer payload issues - I would doubt they have any since they operate from LCY with a runway length of just 1,508m!
Other airports in the UK with similar runway lengths:
INV 1,887m
NWI 1,841m
BLK 1,869m
SEN 1,856m
BHD 1,829m
Can't think of any others?
Interesting that they all have similar regional type services. This illustrates that the extension is not really a threat at all to BOH and both should be able to continue operating in a complimentary fashion to each other long into the future.
It's essential for SOU to get their extension done fast in order to prevent its existing operators from having to resort to payload penalties with wet/windy/hot conditions. It will unburden easyJet on GVA which at times operates with payload penalties; likewise Loganair with their ERJ-145's which at times have payload issues. I am unsure of any BA Cityflyer payload issues - I would doubt they have any since they operate from LCY with a runway length of just 1,508m!
As has been mentioned previous, the airport would do well to attract EZY for next summer post extension using non based aircraft from their summer bases of PMI/AGP/FAO in order to test the water for suitability. This would most definitely effect BOH ops from a competition perspective so to assume otherwise is I think rather naive!
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New operators particularly low cost aren't interested in SOU or any AGS airports. Don't believe me look at the lack of new routes coming out of them. What is SOU going to add that's sustainable and a good deal for an airline? Look at Ryanair's latest expansion today. Not one route from any of the three. BOH got something though, so did NCL so it's not just the big boys. SOU will maintain its usual British Isles and peak summer flights to holiday hot spots and that's it as long as the current lot run it.
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New operators particularly low cost aren't interested in SOU or any AGS airports. Don't believe me look at the lack of new routes coming out of them. What is SOU going to add that's sustainable and a good deal for an airline? Look at Ryanair's latest expansion today. Not one route from any of the three. BOH got something though, so did NCL so it's not just the big boys. SOU will maintain its usual British Isles and peak summer flights to holiday hot spots and that's it as long as the current lot run it.
If so then the small investment that is being implemented won't change things to any degree for the airport Expension and new destinations!
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So are you saying that SOU will have very little return from the runway extension ,except perhaps no restrictions on adverse weather conditions( high temps) on existing aircraft operating?
If so then the small investment that is being implemented won't change things to any degree for the airport Expension and new destinations!
If so then the small investment that is being implemented won't change things to any degree for the airport Expension and new destinations!
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Southampton will have a new runway length of 1,887m with the new extension.
Other airports in the UK with similar runway lengths:
INV 1,887m
NWI 1,841m
BLK 1,869m
SEN 1,856m
BHD 1,829m
It's essential for SOU to get their extension done fast in order to prevent its existing operators from having to resort to payload penalties with wet/windy/hot conditions. !
Other airports in the UK with similar runway lengths:
INV 1,887m
NWI 1,841m
BLK 1,869m
SEN 1,856m
BHD 1,829m
It's essential for SOU to get their extension done fast in order to prevent its existing operators from having to resort to payload penalties with wet/windy/hot conditions. !
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SOU is cat 1 ILS only on 20, 02 has poor landing aids with RNAV at best giving a DH at 500feet!
Nowhere near the ILS on both ends of Southend runway!
I'm sure TCAS FAN will give us a definitive comparison of both airports runway .I believe however 02 runway t/o /landing distance is not enhanced by the 20 extension!
Again limited improvement to SOU route development,more improvement to existing load factors in adverse runway conditions.
Nowhere near the ILS on both ends of Southend runway!
I'm sure TCAS FAN will give us a definitive comparison of both airports runway .I believe however 02 runway t/o /landing distance is not enhanced by the 20 extension!
Again limited improvement to SOU route development,more improvement to existing load factors in adverse runway conditions.
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New operators particularly low cost aren't interested in SOU or any AGS airports. Don't believe me look at the lack of new routes coming out of them. What is SOU going to add that's sustainable and a good deal for an airline? Look at Ryanair's latest expansion today. Not one route from any of the three. BOH got something though, so did NCL so it's not just the big boys. SOU will maintain its usual British Isles and peak summer flights to holiday hot spots and that's it as long as the current lot run it.
Let’s be honest, a big chunk of LGWs passengers come from the areas surrounding Southampton and I’m sure the majority of them would pay a premium to fly from SOU rather than the nightmare that is LGW. SOU does have its own train station and motorway junction which shouldn’t be overlooked. Few airports have this. It is never going to be a huge base but can definitely see a respectable base doing well at SOU. It’s a wealthy area with many second home owners. If EZY don’t move in then im sure the likes of Wizz will which EZY will not want.