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Old 24th May 2022, 14:06
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
Why does the very survival of the airport depend on a marginal runway extension? SOU's core bread and butter will surely remain what it has done well with in recent years? That is one VERY constrained site very close to Gatwick. It is what it is and that's fine, there's nothing wrong in being a decent niche.
Unusual for you, SOE, to not be on the ball, but SOU is not very close to LGW - itís 70/80 miles away. It is significantly closer to LHR.
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Old 25th May 2022, 13:04
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Originally Posted by Pain in the R's
It doesnít. I doubt the extra flights a longer runway would bring would cover the cost of the extension. It is not as if SOU has an abundance of spare stands.
So the airport is just throwing itís money down the drain according to you? Honestly, some people on here. Considering itís owned by a pension fund, I can assure you they will have had to prove a business case for any investment so letís leave it to the experts.

on a side note, I donít know why the airport etc donít make a point that larger planes are a good thing. For a start it could result in less flights. Rather than 4/5 flights a day with Logan it could be 2 with Easy. So less flights annoying residents. Also, I wouldnít be surprised if if A320Ns are quieter than the likes of ERJs. Maybe someone can fine the noise levels of various aircraft.
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Old 25th May 2022, 15:04
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The market seems to want frequency though - I don't think the concept of replacing four flights a day with two bigger ones will strike a chord with many passengers.

And on the local noise levels, if they could sort out the bloody arrival routings onto R20 then that would be a good start. It can't help anyone.
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Old 25th May 2022, 15:32
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Allowing bigger aircraft so 4 small aircraft can be turned into 2 larger aircraft as a way to reduce noise is the oldest airport trick in the book. Once you have a longer runway, those 2 large aircraft invariably turns into 4 large aircraft.
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Old 25th May 2022, 15:52
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The point is however that the airport just donít have the space for many larger aircraft. In the latest plans there are only 4 A320 size stands being made available so I think an operation like SEN have currently with EZY, ie based aircraft from the Med operating several times a week will be about your lot. Just donít see where else they can put them all in the short term!
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Old 25th May 2022, 16:09
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Originally Posted by Saabdriver1
........And on the local noise levels, if they could sort out the bloody arrival routings onto R20 then that would be a good start. It can't help anyone.
If you are referring to what in my working days I referred to as a "Winchester 2 arrival", whereby you get to see Winchester twice due to the orbit to lose height, that hopefully is coming. However due to the tortuosly slow Airpace Change Proposal process (delayed by Covid 19) currently taking place it could be a year or more away. To the current airport owner's credit they are the first to put up the money to get it sorted, so maybe are serious about a long term future for the airport?
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Old 25th May 2022, 16:57
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RIVET JOINT, the noise levels for the ERJ-145 are around 78.7db versus a classic Airbus A320 of 82.7db (according to a report by the points guy). I don't have data for an A320NEO.
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Old 25th May 2022, 18:59
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Originally Posted by shamrock7seal
RIVET JOINT, the noise levels for the ERJ-145 are around 78.7db versus a classic Airbus A320 of 82.7db (according to a report by the points guy). I don't have data for an A320NEO.
Just had a quick look and according to Airbus and Lufthansa the neo is around 50% quieter than the classic. If true then they could be quieter than the 50 seat RJs that these ignorant residents are fine with. I donít blame the airport for trying to completely avoid the topic of larger aircraft as most people react before educating themselves nowadays. However, if itís a fact that they are quieter then their argument falls away.

As to frequencies being preferable for business routes, that is a good point, but probably not post covid. Flexible working is the norm now and about time. Morning and evening flights to GLA, MAN, EDI etc would probably be fine.
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Old 25th May 2022, 19:02
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Originally Posted by TCAS FAN
If you are referring to what in my working days I referred to as a "Winchester 2 arrival", whereby you get to see Winchester twice due to the orbit to lose height, that hopefully is coming. However due to the tortuosly slow Airpace Change Proposal process (delayed by Covid 19) currently taking place it could be a year or more away. To the current airport owner's credit they are the first to put up the money to get it sorted, so maybe are serious about a long term future for the airport?
Donít most airports operate in this way? Canít say I have seen many flights fly straight into an airport without some form turn or loop.
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Old 25th May 2022, 19:33
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TCAS FAN, thank you. Yes, it was the "Winchester Wheel" I meant. Rivet Joint, most airports do have a standard arrival routing which involves some type of traditional base leg onto finals. This is a full 360 orbit which is a time-wasting, fuel-burning, noise-generating pain in the a**e.
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Old 26th May 2022, 07:24
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Originally Posted by Saabdriver1
TCAS FAN, thank you. Yes, it was the "Winchester Wheel" I meant. Rivet Joint, most airports do have a standard arrival routing which involves some type of traditional base leg onto finals. This is a full 360 orbit which is a time-wasting, fuel-burning, noise-generating pain in the a**e.
The "Winchester 2" is only necessary due to a lack of controlled airspace to the north of the Solent CTA owing to the lower limit of Q41, which adjoins the CTA, being FL 65. Before the arrival of NATS. ATCOs could use discretion and offer a straight-in approach with what was then a Radar Advisory Service (now De-confliction). ATCO's discretion stopped by NATS with the result of many thousands of tonnes of fuel wasted and Co2 generated. Hopefully will be resolved if the current ACP is successful.

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Old 29th May 2022, 15:43
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Have Eastern just decided to take a holiday on SOU/MAN? Poster on another thread mentioned no flights last week but it seems
to be more than that - next available flight is 5 June and even that is at full fare only. Doubting that itís nearly full, it suggests impending cancellation. Whatís going on ?
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Old 29th May 2022, 17:26
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Have Eastern just decided to take a holiday on SOU/MAN? Poster on another thread mentioned no flights last week but it seems
to be more than that - next available flight is 5 June and even that is at full fare only. Doubting that itís nearly full, it suggests impending cancellation. Whatís going on ?
The purple planes taking over?
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Old 29th May 2022, 17:32
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Not for the summer they havenít

They can barely keep to the busy schedule here in Jersey that has just started
All there aircraft are fully committed
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Old 29th May 2022, 19:28
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Originally Posted by SKOJB
The purple planes taking over?
I dont think they have any MAN routes at all. Not even BHD-MAN, which is one of their two crew bases.
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Old 29th May 2022, 19:48
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The purple planes taking over?

Sorry , thought you were talking about Blue Islands !
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Old 30th May 2022, 15:39
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Ryanair won't go near SOU. Their focus on the south coast is BOH. They are not interested in the high charges at AGS airports. Ripped their aircraft and routes from GLA for that very reason.

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Old 30th May 2022, 16:02
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It wants to be able to handle larger planes, carrying more passengers. The type of planes used by EasyJet or Ryanair to take people on sunshine holidays to Mediterranean beaches.
This is the quote from the BBC analysis. Doesn't say Ryanair or EasyJet will be operating from SOU, just that the extended runway will be able to operate those types of aircraft

Just had a quick look and according to Airbus and Lufthansa the neo is around 50% quieter than the classic.
Living under an airport approach which see both Classis and NEO 320's, I'm reminded of the saying "Lies, damn lies and statistics..."
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Old 30th May 2022, 17:13
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Originally Posted by Rusty Irish
Ryanair won't go near SOU. Their focus on the south coast is BOH. They are not interested in the high charges at AGS airports. Ripped their aircraft and routes from GLA for that very reason.
Best news weíve heard all day!
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Old 30th May 2022, 17:35
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Rusty Irish seems to have a particular vendetta against GLA and AGS. Ryanair did move its based aircraft out of GLA but still has a reasonable presence at both GLA and ABZ. Whether it could be more is a question for Ryanair and AGS - not everyone wants growth at any cost.
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