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Old 2nd Nov 2021, 12:02
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Agreed, I overlooked the LCY weekend opening hours situation. In the past CFE used to do a lot of charters out of Scotland at the weekends, but I think this changed when they closed a base up there.
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Old 2nd Nov 2021, 15:35
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They did a lot of charters for Barrhead Travel at the weekends from the Scottish airports, obviously not last year or this.
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Old 2nd Nov 2021, 19:16
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Looking at BACF operation,given it was late coming on,just.wasn't advertised enough!
At the.moment local radio is advertising throughout the day flights to the Sun for 2022 and also Salzburg and Chambery winter ski,from guess where? ...... Bristol
SOU management and BACF need to get there act together if the airport is to.progress.
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Old 2nd Nov 2021, 22:18
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Advertising wasn't the problem in S21. Covid testing and travel restrictions across the UK and Europe were. Keep in mind that S21 demand was very limp nationally for leisure travel to the Med, and many of those who did brave the required tests and restrictions were redeeming time-critical travel vouchers from earlier cancelled trips. With BACF being a new entrant at SOU, they didn't even have voucher redemptions to backfill capacity. It was just a very tough market. But SOU enjoys a prosperous catchment area, so if Covid testing and travel restrictions are fully removed in time for S22, the demand environment will be a different proposition entirely. BACF will certainly take account of that, how ever they decide to deploy their fleet next Summer.
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Old 3rd Nov 2021, 14:45
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Hi AirUK, great title by the way. Memories of 146 aircraft at STN in the 90s. Just remembering that this must be 30 yes since the new Stansted opened? I have 1991 in my head. However, unrelated to SOU.

I'd tend to disagree with your perspective. I don't see why if SOU eventually has the infrastructure to facilitate leisure flying at scale why it cannot tap into substantial volumes and pick up those who currently do need to do to London, Bournemouth etc. Hence, I'd see it being more than occasional and seasonal
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Old 7th Nov 2021, 13:33
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What is happening on the progress with the runway extension?
There seems to be a black out on the appeal process,I guess it going ahead? What is the timescale and is there further appeals likely?
The developing climate protests including airport expansion is surely going to come to Southampton Airport when the appeal protests are exhausted,are we going to see people sitting on the runway?,the airport boundary is fully exploitable from the Itchen Country park.
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Old 7th Nov 2021, 13:48
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Nice try RW20 and suggest nobody replies to your continual negative questioning!
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Old 7th Nov 2021, 14:16
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How is this negative questioning?
With all that is going on regarding the climate,airport development etc,I would say this is a very relevant set of questions.
We all have to face up to the fact that there are going to be major changes to regional airports,the bucket and spade days are gone.
We don't need all the airports in the UK, Covid 19 has exposed this fact, Southend for example which quoted SOU progress as an expansion example in recent years is a dead duck!I
SKOJB you and other well known contributors to the SOU blog have valid opinions,but please do not try to influence other contributors who have views contrary to your beliefs!
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Old 7th Nov 2021, 14:21
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the bucket and spade days are gone.
Are you having a laugh? Social media isn't the real world, talk to some normal people and ask them about their holiday plans.
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Old 7th Nov 2021, 14:24
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What do you mean the bucket and spade days are gone? Any evidence for it? As it looks it’s the bucket and spade travellers keeping things afloat at the moment. Most new routes being added across Europe are holiday focused.
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Old 7th Nov 2021, 17:42
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Would have hoped that SOU would have taken the initiative to provide updates, cannot see anything on their website to indicate this.

Maybe now is the time for SOU to think outside of the box to counter AXO and their tree hugging allies? The land in the northeast corner of the airport site is near impossible to economically develop due to access problems. With the SAM VOR’s days numbered maybe time to devote part of the land to a nature reserve and maybe plant a few trees? Remember frequently seeing many deer outside the boundary fence in that area.

By all means keep some land in reserve for future use, long term car parking of even the slightest chance of Terminal 2 (LOL) but return the rest to nature?
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Old 8th Nov 2021, 05:53
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TCAS FAN. I seem to recall that the land in the northeast corner is all part of the Southampton Freeport proposal.

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Old 8th Nov 2021, 06:53
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Due to access difficulties, which will be even worse when the runway extension goes in, suggest that any significant development in the northeast corner is probably pie in the sky unless part of the rail yard can be procured. Unless this can be done a tunnel would be prohibitively expensive, partly due to a major gas pipeline running east/west across the runway development area (no mention of any tunnel in the runway extension planning application) leaving surface access the only option.

Due to proximity of the runway surface access would need to be controlled, only possible between aircraft movements. This issue came up many years ago when a previous attempt at development in the northeast corner was being planned. Planners indicated that ATC could control traffic lights, to which a very short reply was forthcoming, second word being “off”!
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Old 11th Nov 2021, 07:48
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Another reality day. Southampton traffic stacked up and holding for weather (fog). Bournemouth traffic landing without problem in similar conditions (eg B737/bizjet.. etc). An extra few metres of runway won't improve things... Dreamland?
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Old 11th Nov 2021, 11:13
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BOH = ILS CAT III

SOU = ILS CAT I

Same situation with LCY vs STN or LTN

For the rare occasions that it happens the airlines will take the hit. SOU is where the punters want to fly to.
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Old 11th Nov 2021, 11:21
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https://simpleflying.com/istanbul-eu...siest-airport/

SOU along with three other UK airports is on Istanbul Airport's 'desired list of destinations in Europe'. See fifth paragraph in above linked report.

If this has been mentioned before my apologies - I could not find anything looking back through this thread.
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Old 11th Nov 2021, 11:29
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Sounds like somebody who works in business development at IST knows the likely audience of a publication, and wants to target their message to those people. When negotiating in business, one begins with a silly price and gradually move towards something more realistic - same in this case with saying one hopes for 4 airports to be linked to IST when one expects to get no more than 2 any time soon. It seems wishful thinking to expect SOU has a route to Turkey before either Bristol or Newcastle - so there will be a number of years to wait.

Had it been (e.g.) a French website doing the interview, I imagine the talk would have been of a very different set of routes.

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Old 11th Nov 2021, 12:16
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I think you have explained SOU approach aids and limitations on past occasions,I believe 900 mtrs RVR is the very high minimum for 20 operations,which perhaps is just one of the highest in the country for Cat 1 approach.
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Old 11th Nov 2021, 18:09
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Like BOH, SOU also has runway centreline lights at 15m spacing which means for take-off the RVR minima for both airports should be similar.
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Old 11th Nov 2021, 18:38
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That's true,but the difference is that there is no aircraft to take off from SOU if the RVR is 800mtrs or less prohibiting landings!
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