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Old 24th Apr 2024, 20:48
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Originally Posted by darren1
When the orange bubble bursts the airport will be left with nothing.
Easyjet operate 6 routes out of 20 destinations that are currently served from SOU.

Easyjet will soon be the only airline operating from GLA to SOU.

Easyjet for summer 2024 only compete on Faro and Palma from SOU and to a certain extent with BFS.

Easyjet are one of 9 airlines currently serving SOU.

Easyjet has been successfully operating since it was founded in 1995.

There is the demand from SOU to GLA as well as EDI.

In what way are you describing "When the orange bubble bursts"?

Are you describing the collapse of easyjet itself or if the airline ceased operations at SOU.

Either way you're statement is ridiculous.

If by any chance easyjet abandons SOU 'which they won't btw' then Loganair in my opinion would instantly reinstate GLA to SOU.

SOU needs more airlines and routes but at this present time, easyjet are not a huge player at the airport.

The 'bubble burst' at SOU with the collapse of Flybe 'Mark 1'. But that's a completely different scenario.

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Old 24th Apr 2024, 22:31
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Originally Posted by Sotonsean
Easyjet operate 6 routes out of 20 destinations that are currently served from SOU.

Easyjet will soon be the only airline operating from GLA to SOU.

Easyjet for summer 2024 only compete on Faro and Palma from SOU and to a certain extent with BFS.

Easyjet are one of 9 airlines currently serving SOU.

Easyjet has been successfully operating since it was founded in 1995.

There is the demand from SOU to GLA as well as EDI.

In what way are you describing "When the orange bubble bursts"?

Are you describing the collapse of easyjet itself or if the airline ceased operations at SOU.

Either way you're statement is ridiculous.

If by any chance easyjet abandons SOU 'which they won't btw' then Loganair in my opinion would instantly reinstate GLA to SOU.

SOU needs more airlines and routes but at this present time, easyjet are not a huge player at the airport.

The 'bubble burst' at SOU with the collapse of Flybe 'Mark 1'. But that's a completely different scenario.
Well said. On this thread for years people have been crying out/demanding a low cost carrier come in to stimulate proper growth, now it looks like this is starting to materialise and the result is we have questions around eggs in one basket again whilst the bubble will undoubtedly burst. What on earth are the airport and its owners supposed to do for the best when they have the ukís largest airline operating an Airbus fleet showing interest?

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Old 25th Apr 2024, 06:18
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Take a leaf out of Bristolís management book perhaps where they seem to manage and grow the network without squabbles of the Glasgow-Southampton nature and still keep easyJet happy?

Travel Weekly also reporting cuts on EDI from four to three a day and NCL from 15 to 13 a week.
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Old 25th Apr 2024, 06:39
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The point about the bubble bursting is that EZY currently have little invested in SOU, and can move away as quickly as they arrived - can they make more money elsewhere than they can at SOU? That is what LM have decided. If you read their statement, it is all about resilience in their network. Suggesting they would leap back if EZY pulled off GLA is optimistic. What with? Also, what are the odds of a LM MAN service now?
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Old 25th Apr 2024, 10:47
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Also, what are the odds of a LM MAN service now?
About the same as they were before. Neither airport is a base for them so they either have to invest in a new base or operate a range of W flights adding operational risk to an already stretched schedule. The added complication is that MAN airport don't want a domestic carrier based at their airport as they have higher aspirations than that (according to them).
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Old 25th Apr 2024, 11:47
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Originally Posted by MidlandsWanderer
The added complication is that MAN airport don't want a domestic carrier based at their airport as they have higher aspirations than that (according to them).
Obvious sly dig aside (convenient geographical hint in your name) MAN literally has based domestic carriers !
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Old 25th Apr 2024, 13:49
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Originally Posted by laviation
Obvious sly dig aside (convenient geographical hint in your name) MAN literally has based domestic carriers !
Not many domestic based carriers left that would be naive enough to commit corporate suicide going up against EasyJet.
Unfortunately it's the free market economy, LM will eventually retreat from SOU should the orange expansion prove successful, SI will be looking behind their shoulders given the volume of flights they provide at SOU.
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Old 25th Apr 2024, 16:05
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LM were becoming a nightmare on the route in the last year, even before EZY turned up. Used the GLA route often and out of the last 6 return flights only one was less than 2 hours late, one was over 3. All due to tech E145. It was becoming a joke. It wasnt reliable. On one occasion the LM flight landed at SOU 30 mins before the EZY, yet the EZY was away back to GLA long before the LM as the E145 required an air start.
The E145 was the wrong aircraft for the route, they should have used their ATR72,. More seats and could have competed better with EZY on price. I think the pulling of the route is more to do with whats going on with LM themselves rather then the route itself. Pilots are jumping ship at an alarming rate.
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Old 25th Apr 2024, 17:49
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Originally Posted by Hial Flyer
LM were becoming a nightmare on the route in the last year, even before EZY turned up. Used the GLA route often and out of the last 6 return flights only one was less than 2 hours late, one was over 3. All due to tech E145. It was becoming a joke. It wasnt reliable. On one occasion the LM flight landed at SOU 30 mins before the EZY, yet the EZY was away back to GLA long before the LM as the E145 required an air start.
The E145 was the wrong aircraft for the route, they should have used their ATR72,. More seats and could have competed better with EZY on price. I think the pulling of the route is more to do with whats going on with LM themselves rather then the route itself. Pilots are jumping ship at an alarming rate.
ATRs are as equally unreliable. Horrible things. Your last statement is easy to believe. The big players are hoovering pilots from LM because their pay is way better. Economics.

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Old 25th Apr 2024, 18:42
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Originally Posted by Sotonsean
Easyjet operate 6 routes out of 20 destinations that are currently served from SOU.

Easyjet will soon be the only airline operating from GLA to SOU.

Easyjet for summer 2024 only compete on Faro and Palma from SOU and to a certain extent with BFS.

Easyjet are one of 9 airlines currently serving SOU.

Easyjet has been successfully operating since it was founded in 1995.

There is the demand from SOU to GLA as well as EDI.

In what way are you describing "When the orange bubble bursts"?

Are you describing the collapse of easyjet itself or if the airline ceased operations at SOU.

Either way you're statement is ridiculous.

If by any chance easyjet abandons SOU 'which they won't btw' then Loganair in my opinion would instantly reinstate GLA to SOU.

SOU needs more airlines and routes but at this present time, easyjet are not a huge player at the airport.

The 'bubble burst' at SOU with the collapse of Flybe 'Mark 1'. But that's a completely different scenario.

Nothing ridiculous dear. If SOU goes orange and current airlines jump ship, problems lie ahead if yields don't stack for U2. They will go where the money is. Yes U2 could find a niche and work wonders, but all the armchair CEOs on here have to remember EI, LM and KL could all easily go for good. Taking T3 out of the equation as they are just awful. A daily JER fro U2 could easily wipe out SI. Be careful what you wish for.
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Old 25th Apr 2024, 21:59
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Originally Posted by darren1
Nothing ridiculous dear. If SOU goes orange and current airlines jump ship, problems lie ahead if yields don't stack for U2. They will go where the money is. Yes U2 could find a niche and work wonders, but all the armchair CEOs on here have to remember EI, LM and KL could all easily go for good. Taking T3 out of the equation as they are just awful. A daily JER fro U2 could easily wipe out SI. Be careful what you wish for.
Just to inform you "dear" but I'm not personally wishing for anything. I would prefer to keep the incumbents and allow them to expand. I would prefer it if SOU could attract further airlines and routes without having to rely on easyjet.

Easyjet expansion is obviously very welcome at SOU but I don't want it to be detrimental to existing operators. Loganair pulling GLA-SOU is the first obvious sign of this.

I personally don't fly with easyjet so it doesn't affect me one way or another. All I want to see is my local airport prosper. The airport serving the region to destinations that include both sun and city breaks.

Southampton Airport is totally underutilised and in my opinion totally underappreciated. It has so much potential that is not taken advantage of.
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Old 26th Apr 2024, 09:20
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"if SOU could attract further airlines and routes without having to rely on easyjet."

Beggars can't be choosers - and the only airlines likely to expand are LCO's - if it wasn't Easy who would you like to see? The mainline airlines aren't interested in serving small airports

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Old 26th Apr 2024, 10:22
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
"if SOU could attract further airlines and routes without having to rely on easyjet."

Beggars can't be choosers - and the only airlines likely to expand are LCO's - if it wasn't Easy who would you like to see? The mainline airlines aren't interested in serving small airports
As you say, the likelihood of attracting other airlines nowadays is becoming limited. The airport may see the new Lufthansa City set up in the future with Frankfurt but cannot think of many other mainlines that might be interested, low cost perhaps Wizz with a route or two. SOU doesnít have too much choice but to throw everything at easyJet which could become a lucrative partnership (could!). One thing is pretty certain however, I donít see LM or BA being at the airport in 12/18 months time if the orange relationship blossoms. Not ideal to loose airlines but it may be the only way for SOU to build growth, a risky game to be played out in the future quite possibly.
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Old 26th Apr 2024, 11:07
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The usual suspects having a field day I see. I have repeatedly posted stats that prove the Belfast city route hasnít been affected by Easyís new route to the other Belfast airport. In fact the city route grew. Logan are clearly going through a difficult patch with losing pilots and availability of ATR parts, new planes. Also the sale of the business hanging over their heads. The CEO that left recently could obviously see what was on the horizon. None of this has anything to do with SOU or Easy. The fact they still operate 145s when no other big operator in Europe does was always a red flag.

Most importantly, letís approach this factually. The loss of Logan on the Glasgow route means only a loss of 147 passengers. Hardly the end of the world. I still feel like there is a place for Logan operating one super early and one late night flight to cater for people after a full day either end. But I also can see Easy doing two daily flights. Perhaps a based aircraft could fly down from Glasgow in the morning do a few routes from SOU and then fly back up to Glasgow in the evening.
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Old 26th Apr 2024, 11:35
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None of this has anything to do with SOU or Easy.
You're right - it's just coincidence that the route LM dropped from SOU is the one EZY are competing on.

Perhaps a based aircraft could fly down from Glasgow in the morning do a few routes from SOU and then fly back up to Glasgow in the evening.
How do you crew this? Is it a model EZY operate elsewhere?
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Old 26th Apr 2024, 12:11
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
You're right - it's just coincidence that the route LM dropped from SOU is the one EZY are competing on.


How do you crew this? Is it a model EZY operate elsewhere?
AMS based plane operates morning to SEN, then ALC return followed by evening back to AMS. Guess SOU could do similar with GLA crew?
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If you are short of pilots and need to cut back your schedule, you won't cut back on your most profitable routes. You'll take the worst performers and ditch those. The fact that GLA-SOU has been ditched says everything about the performance of the route since easyJet started on it.

And I would be concerned about this. "It's only 147 passengers" - yes, those who needed the business schedule Loganair offered but easyJet does not provide. You do not want to be losing that type of passenger from SOU and ending up with them using LHR instead. Not all passengers are equal. It's a bad day for the airport, for sure.
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If you are short of pilots and need to cut back your schedule, you won't cut back on your most profitable routes. You'll take the worst performers and ditch those. The fact that GLA-SOU has been ditched says everything about the performance of the route since easyJet started on it.

And I would be concerned about this. "It's only 147 passengers" - yes, those who needed the business schedule Loganair offered but easyJet does not provide. You do not want to be losing that type of passenger from SOU and ending up with them using LHR instead. Not all passengers are equal. It's a bad day for the airport, for sure.
Not sure a small number of business travellers for GLA moving to LHR will bother the airport if easyjet do indeed set up a base. Itís a game of risk and reward and itís clear to see which side the airport is swaying towards. Never be surprised to see EDI go orange next.

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Originally Posted by Albert Hall
If you are short of pilots and need to cut back your schedule, you won't cut back on your most profitable routes. You'll take the worst performers and ditch those. The fact that GLA-SOU has been ditched says everything about the performance of the route since easyJet started on it.

And I would be concerned about this. "It's only 147 passengers" - yes, those who needed the business schedule Loganair offered but easyJet does not provide. You do not want to be losing that type of passenger from SOU and ending up with them using LHR instead. Not all passengers are equal. It's a bad day for the airport, for sure.
That's very true. I appreciate that things have changed and fewer people travel on business, but in the days when I flew very regularly for business as a self-employed person it was pretty much essential that the return trip could be made in a day. I regularly used SOU for Manchester, Glasgow, Newcastle and Dublin and the schedules made this possible. I also used LHR for Amsterdam, Oslo, Dusseldorf, Hamburg and Athens and these were also out and back the same day. Sadly the lack of a super early out and late evening return precluded using Southampton for Amsterdam.

Even with the lower passenger numbers now, Southampton will lose business traffic if the schedules are not flexible.



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Old 26th Apr 2024, 14:41
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Good interview shown with AGS at Routes Europe recently. Mentioned that SOU was the most exciting project of all 3 of their airports, has huge potential and are looking to increase pax numbers with much more leisure. EasyJet was discussed as expanding at the airport and general growth would Ďsnowballí over the next few years, promising!
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