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Old 4th Nov 2023, 17:45
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Inclined to agree. Southend is a good example of Easyjet domestic routes that were claimed to be doing well by fanboys that just ended before anyone had heard of Covid.
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Old 4th Nov 2023, 22:05
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I see the usual suspects are still trying to get their kicks from criticising an inanimate object. Odd.

As for comparisons to other domestic routes at the likes SEN. SOU routes to the likes of GLA EDI, BHD MAN etc were seeing 6 figure or near 6 figure annual passengers a few years ago. Yes times have changed a little but I know lots of people who still travel north regularly for business. The likes of SEN never had these kind of domestic figures.

As LM will never be able to cater for that amount of passengers as a result of their small planes and high prices, there is more than enough room
for EZY doing one rotation a day. Look at the DUB route for example, FR started serving it at BOH yet it didnít stop EI still serving DUB at SOU and even increasing it to twice daily.
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Old 4th Nov 2023, 22:54
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I see the usual suspects are still trying to get their kicks from criticising an inanimate object. Odd.
Reading back on the posts I can’t find any evidence of criticism. Are you sure you have the right thread?
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Old 4th Nov 2023, 23:01
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint
I see the usual suspects are still trying to get their kicks from criticising an inanimate object. Odd.

As for comparisons to other domestic routes at the likes SEN. SOU routes to the likes of GLA EDI, BHD MAN etc were seeing 6 figure or near 6 figure annual passengers a few years ago. Yes times have changed a little but I know lots of people who still travel north regularly for business. The likes of SEN never had these kind of domestic figures.

As LM will never be able to cater for that amount of passengers as a result of their small planes and high prices, there is more than enough room
for EZY doing one rotation a day. Look at the DUB route for example, FR started serving it at BOH yet it didnít stop EI still serving DUB at SOU and even increasing it to twice daily.
And there are rumours of Ryanair DUB starting up at SOU!
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Old 4th Nov 2023, 23:25
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint
I see the usual suspects are still trying to get their kicks from criticising an inanimate object. Odd.

As for comparisons to other domestic routes at the likes SEN. SOU routes to the likes of GLA EDI, BHD MAN etc were seeing 6 figure or near 6 figure annual passengers a few years ago. Yes times have changed a little but I know lots of people who still travel north regularly for business. The likes of SEN never had these kind of domestic figures.

As LM will never be able to cater for that amount of passengers as a result of their small planes and high prices, there is more than enough room
for EZY doing one rotation a day. Look at the DUB route for example, FR started serving it at BOH yet it didn’t stop EI still serving DUB at SOU and even increasing it to twice daily.
There you go again. "Small planes and high prices" = Bad. So high volume low price is good? Until small plane frequency is lost due to easyJet using high volume low frequency to kill of Loganair. I am fairly sure there's not room for both, Loganair will review the damage and simply walk away before the summer, by which time easyJet will be focussing more on longer range sun routes. The FR/EI BOH/SOU one isn't the best here. Time will tell.

This notion that both Loganair and easyJet will co-exist and grow the market is for the birds....
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Old 4th Nov 2023, 23:32
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Originally Posted by SKOJB
And there are rumours of Ryanair DUB starting up at SOU!
Happy to be proven wrong but I feel like this was suggested by someone on here about a month ago and has been elevated to a 'rumour' and repeated on various threads here and elsewhere. I'd be very surprised if there was any substance behind it...
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Old 5th Nov 2023, 07:25
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No Ryanair slot applications at SOU for S24 - I think that was indeed not even a rumour, just a figment of someoneís imagination.

The easyJet slot applications have what looks to be two sunshine EJU routes with two flights per week each, so a max of four a week. Belfast increasing to five per week and Glasgow in at daily.

So if all that happens, SOU will have seriously p***ed off both Loganair and Emerald who have been supporters of the airportís recovery to get four A320s per week. No further forward, and quite possibly far worse off in the long run, Iíd say.
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Old 5th Nov 2023, 07:40
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Originally Posted by Flightrider
No Ryanair slot applications at SOU for S24 - I think that was indeed not even a rumour, just a figment of someoneís imagination.

The easyJet slot applications have what looks to be two sunshine EJU routes with two flights per week each, so a max of four a week. Belfast increasing to five per week and Glasgow in at daily.

So if all that happens, SOU will have seriously p***ed off both Loganair and Emerald who have been supporters of the airportís recovery to get four A320s per week. No further forward, and quite possibly far worse off in the long run, Iíd say.
If SOU loose Loganair and Emerald ,then it would be a disaster!,for what just a couple of Summer routes ???
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Old 5th Nov 2023, 08:04
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Youíd have thought even losing them off the routes on which easyJet competing would be bad enough - it would be a huge loss in frequency and capacity.

And you have to think that neither would be particularly inclined to do anything else at SOU if the airport has stitched them up like this. Loganair to Manchester and Emerald to Cork would be a long way off Ö
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Old 5th Nov 2023, 08:14
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All a bit premature - the slot requests need to turned into flights and then we need to see what the impact is on the incumbents.

Will EZY split the current market it or grow it? Lots of cruise pax are still being coached down to Southampton.
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Old 5th Nov 2023, 08:59
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Originally Posted by Flightrider

The easyJet slot applications have what looks to be two sunshine EJU routes with two flights per week each, so a max of four a week. Belfast increasing to five per week and Glasgow in at daily.
Thatís a lot more Med flying than I am being led to believe is being announced any day now. If what I am hearing is what they actually do, itís hardly worth bothering. And it is certainly not worthwhile upsetting Loganair and Emerald for.

I do wonder if easyJetís main motivation here is keeping a foot on the heads of some upcoming rivals - which is exactly what they are trying to do at Belfast City with Emerald - and AGS have fallen for this with the lure of a tiny programme of Med routes that the airport feels it has to have to demonstrate progress to the local market?
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Old 5th Nov 2023, 09:26
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Nice and Barcelona would be good routes, but lets see what happens. BA Cityflyer are retreating again next year and can't imagine Loganair or Emerald are too pleased with the Easyjet domestics. This could all end up a spectacular disaster for Southampton Airport. We don't need to see duplicate routes to the likes of Palma and Malaga.
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Old 5th Nov 2023, 09:34
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Another airline possibly flying to the med?

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Old 5th Nov 2023, 10:20
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Originally Posted by Albert Hall
I do wonder if easyJetís main motivation here is keeping a foot on the heads of some upcoming rivals - which is exactly what they are trying to do at Belfast City with Emerald - and AGS have fallen for this with the lure of a tiny programme of Med routes that the airport feels it has to have to demonstrate progress to the local market?
Do Easy really see Loganair and Emerald as rivals?! I'd have though they had bigger things to worry about.

Nice and Barcelona would be good routes, but lets see what happens. BA Cityflyer are retreating again next year and can't imagine Loganair or Emerald are too pleased with the Easyjet domestics. This could all end up a spectacular disaster for Southampton Airport. We don't need to see duplicate routes to the likes of Palma and Malaga.
I'd be surprised if it wasn't Palma/Malaga/Alicante, maybe Faro. BA Cityflyer always seemed to be a marriage of convenience.
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Old 5th Nov 2023, 11:58
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The fact that BACF have cut some routes may suggest that the tour operators who book space on these flights have instead got space on another operator who may not yet have put the route on public sale?
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Old 5th Nov 2023, 13:55
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Maybe there is a new player about to join the party!
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Old 5th Nov 2023, 14:04
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Originally Posted by stewyb
Maybe there is a new player about to join the party!
Jet2? Two 737-300 based next year,then 320 neo in 25?
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Old 5th Nov 2023, 14:10
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Jet2? Two 737-300 based next year,then 320 neo in 25?
Hopefully yes, that said AGS will need to sort out the staffing, both their own, handling agent's and NATS to ensure that delayed evening arrivals can RTB.
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Old 5th Nov 2023, 14:42
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As SOU is not slot restricted, do all new airlines/routes have to show up on ACL applications?
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Old 5th Nov 2023, 15:30
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Good question - and the answer is no. An airline could theoretically pop up and announce something new without any prior signal through the slots data, then put their schedule into the system later. It's a facilitation exercise to avoid obvious conflict (e.g. international terminal arrivals capacity etc) and also to drive the data which powers the airport FIDS systems.

easyJet was one route on Mon/Thu (EJU1291/1292) and a second route on Thu/Sun (flight numbers EJU1514-1518).

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