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Old 7th Dec 2023, 21:45
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Originally Posted by MARKEYD
Not really , bit overdramatised I think as usual , remember itís their first season at SOU testing the waters, SEN was up and running for years pre Covid

BA Cityflyer

Palma x 1
Alicante x1
Faro x 1
Malaga x 1

Palma on behalf of TUI x 2

Easyjet

Alicante x 1 A319
Faro x1. A320
Palma x 2 A319

Not bad going for a first S24 season , letís see how it all goes
Regarding TUI.

If BA City Flyer do indeed leave Southampton after the 2024 summer season it would be interesting to see how TUI responds.

It would be great if they resumed IBZ at some point. Ibiza is a very popular destination for all generations and I'm certain that there is a local demand. Ibiza has been served from Southampton on various occasions in the past.

TUI most recently used Volotea for their Ibiza and Palma flight's. Volotea also offered scheduled flights to Southampton from Ibiza and Palma along with their charter flights operated on behalf of TUI.

Volotea in 2014 or 2015 operated upto five flights a week into Southampton.

Ibiza 1 weekly scheduled flight, TUI booked seats on the scheduled flight

Palma 2 weekly scheduled flights

Palma 2 weekly charter flights on behalf of TUI

If, for example, BA City Flyer does actually leave Southampton then hopefully TUI will remain in some way. But with what aircraft. It would be great to see TUI use Volotea again at Southampton with the possibility of resuming Ibiza and Mahon.

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Old 7th Dec 2023, 22:21
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Originally Posted by Sotonsean
Regarding TUI.

If BA City Flyer do indeed leave Southampton after the 2024 summer season it would be interesting to see how TUI responds.

It would be great if they resumed IBZ at some point. Ibiza is a very popular destination for all generations and I'm certain that there is a local demand. Ibiza has been served from Southampton on various occasions in the past.

TUI most recently used Volotea for their Ibiza and Palma flight's. Volotea also offered scheduled flights to Southampton from Ibiza and Palma along with their charter flights operated on behalf of TUI.

Volotea in 2014 or 2015 operated upto five flights a week into Southampton.

Ibiza 1 weekly scheduled flight, TUI booked seats on the scheduled flight

Palma 2 weekly scheduled flights

Palma 2 weekly charter flights on behalf of TUI

If, for example, BA City Flyer does actually leave Southampton then hopefully TUI will remain in some way. But with what aircraft. It would be great to see TUI use Volotea again at Southampton with the possibility of resuming Ibiza and Mahon.
I think TUI holidays are using easyJet a lot next summer for Algarve/Costa Blanca which makes me think they may add more flights
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Old 7th Dec 2023, 22:27
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Originally Posted by SouthernAlliance
I think TUI holidays are using easyJet a lot next summer for Majorca/Costa Blanca
I totally overlooked that fact as it's probably correct.
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Old 7th Dec 2023, 22:29
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Originally Posted by Sotonsean
I totally overlooked that fact as it's probably correct.
Apologies, itís to the Algarve, not Majorca (of which is being served by BA)
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Old 10th Dec 2023, 08:54
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If BA do pull out of SOU for summer 2025, then TUI's very successful Palma Charters (2 weekly, plus buying in seats on the other BA flight) could be up for grabs with a 3rd party airline.
Alba Star are out of running as they fly the 737-800, but Volotea Airbus's could be seen back at SOU;
Other options could be a 'W' from another UK TUI Base where they utilize the ACMI leased A320's.
However this would be a rather big jump in Holidays to sell, up from 98 to 150-180 per aircraft which TUI may well be cautious of.

No doubt, as has been mentioned above, TUI are also selling Package Holidays using the new Easyjet flights from SOU to ALC and FAO.
Would they take a huge allocation (say 100 seats) on the Easyjet Palma flight? --- Maybe, instead of whole plane charters.

In the past TUI, Thomsons and other Tour firms also offered IBZ and MAH which were popular;
plus TFS in the winter (Thomsons with a non-stop 757, and Spanair with an A320, that needed a tech stop outbound at Nantes).

A Tenerife flight again from SOU, would be a winner, but there is simply no one to operate it.

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Old 10th Dec 2023, 20:39
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Canít quite understand why Soton isnít more successful esp with the new runway extension. My PA46-500 is based there so I know the airport well. You can get from landing into central london in a similar time to arriving at Heathrow as itís typically possible to get from gate arrival to train platform in 5 minutes. Coupled with immediate access to two motorways it has fantastic infrastructure
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Old 10th Dec 2023, 20:43
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Tube from LHR to central London is much more frequent and significantly cheaper than the train from SOU to Waterloo.
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Old 10th Dec 2023, 20:56
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Originally Posted by brentford77
Canít quite understand why Soton isnít more successful esp with the new runway extension. My PA46-500 is based there so I know the airport well. You can get from landing into central london in a similar time to arriving at Heathrow as itís typically possible to get from gate arrival to train platform in 5 minutes. Coupled with immediate access to two motorways it has fantastic infrastructure
I take your point and the airport could conceivably be named London Southampton (hope it never is) as time difference and distance to central London is very similar to SEN, STN, LTN and LGW.
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Old 10th Dec 2023, 21:45
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Originally Posted by SouthernAlliance
I take your point and the airport could conceivably be named London Southampton (hope it never is) as time difference and distance to central London is very similar to SEN, STN, LTN and LGW.
No, it's considerably further from London than all of those airports in distance and time, by road or rail.
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Old 10th Dec 2023, 21:50
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Originally Posted by cavokblues
No, it's considerably further from London than all of those airports in distance and time, by road or rail.
Distance maybe, however 66 min by rail to central London cannot be far off those other airports?
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Old 10th Dec 2023, 22:28
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Heathrow to Paddington is about 15 mins by fast train or 35 mins by slow train.
Gatwick to Victoria 30-35 mins.
Luton (airport, not Parkway) to St Pancras is 35-40 mins.
Stansted to Liverpool St is 45-50 mins.

SOU to Waterloo in 66 mins seems ambitious - 70-75 mins seems more realistic
Furthermore, a fully flexible single ticket (no, I am not buying a fixed time advance purchase ticket for travel after arriving on a possibly delayed flight) from these airports to London does not cost anywhere near £43.

If SOU can get South Western rail to bring back the former rail+air ticket, then SOU might get some more London-centric pax
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Old 11th Dec 2023, 09:14
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One problem with SOU is that its not that easy to get to from much of the S Coast

If you live in Brighton or further east it's much easier to get to Gatwick and westwards Bournemouth collects the custom.

However SOU has never been much good at PR IMHO - there's a regular train service from the north (Oxford/Reading/Basingstoke) AND a half decent road but I doubt one person in a thousand in those towns knows that there's an easily accessible airport in Southampton
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Old 11th Dec 2023, 09:46
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
One problem with SOU is that its not that easy to get to from much of the S Coast

If you live in Brighton or further east it's much easier to get to Gatwick and westwards Bournemouth collects the custom.

However SOU has never been much good at PR IMHO - there's a regular train service from the north (Oxford/Reading/Basingstoke) AND a half decent road but I doubt one person in a thousand in those towns knows that there's an easily accessible airport in Southampton
If you think SOU is bad to travel to, try BOH to the west as itís hellish. Gatwick may be preferred for Brighton and eastwards but from there SOU is easy to access via A27/M27. Agree the PR could be improved

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Old 11th Dec 2023, 10:33
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What are you all complaining about? Southampton is literally on the motorway network and public transport access is second to none. Bus network is good.

BOH on the other hand is diabolical and it boggles my mind that BRS does so well given their poor road links and public transport.

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Old 11th Dec 2023, 10:55
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Originally Posted by Sharklet_321
What are you all complaining about? Southampton is literally on the motorway network and public transport access is second to none. Bus network is good.

BOH on the other hand is diabolical and it boggles my mind that BRS does so well given their poor road links and public transport.
Given the relative passenger numbers for the three airports, maybe public transport isn't as important as people on here reckon?
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Old 11th Dec 2023, 12:29
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Given the relative passenger numbers for the three airports, maybe public transport isn't as important as people on here reckon?
The original question was raised that SOU is not that accessible from the south coast, nothing mentioned of public transport. Simple fact of the matter is SOU is a dream to access by road compared to many other regionals
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SOU is fantastic to get to by Train (as long as its running with no strikes, no signal failures, or any other nonsense delays and cancellations we are currently plagued by)
and by a great Motorway network.

BOH is down a village country lane - go figure - watch the cows whilst you are sitting in the traffic jam,
and BRS is perched on top of a Hill almost falling off due to so many buildings added since the days of Lulsgate LOL>.....!
again also approached by country lanes....
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Old 11th Dec 2023, 13:36
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Public transport/road transport, what the numbers tell you is that offer the right product and the passengers will get to you.
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Old 11th Dec 2023, 14:48
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Public transport/road transport, what the numbers tell you is that offer the right product and the passengers will get to you.
Offer the right product ,but it needs promoting,something SOU needs to improve upon Asap.
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Old 11th Dec 2023, 15:57
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Originally Posted by RW20
Offer the right product ,but it needs promoting,something SOU needs to improve upon Asap.
When Vueling was operating into Southampton, there was an advert on the large TV screen on the Woolston side of the Itchen Bridge. The advert was displayed multiple times an hour.

I'm surprised that Southampton Airport doesn't offer similar advertising. There is a similar TV display on West Quay Road at the junction of Dock Gate 10. Plus, there is a large one situated in the middle of the cities main shopping precinct in Above Bar.

These sorts of large TV advertising screens, along with similar billboards, are what Southampton Airport should be using to promote the airport and its routes to the local population.

Easyjet could do well by properly advertising their routes from Southampton. I'm sure that the majority of the locals, along with those in the immediate catchment area, are totally unaware of easyJets presence at Southampton Airport.

Southampton Airport must be fairly unique amongst most regional airports in the UK. The fact that the majority of the local population are totally unaware of the airlines and destinations served from their local airport.

To most people, it's like, "Yeah, I know you can fly to the Channel Islands".
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