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Old 19th Apr 2022, 12:02
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
Am I the only one that doesn't find the Loganair fare unreasonable - other examples from LCY

BA LCY-EDI Thursday 28 April - 17.20 dep £182

BA LCY-GLA Thursday 28 April - 17.00 dep £243

BA LCY-BHD Thursday 28 April - 18.55 dep £217
Totally agree. Sadly there are some very loud and vocal posters on here who cannot see beyond a world of Easyjet. They are focused solely on price and don't seem bothered by randomly times flights at odd times of the day . Also they don't stop to think the headline price does not take into account bags.

There is one Haven't a Clue who is referencing Easyjet flights from the island at 0955 as civilised. Maybe that's the case but I was on the Easyjet flight 21.05 last night from the island to Gatwick. Started by being herded into a small room with 186 people waiting for 15mins to board the plane- that was certainly not civilised! Took 45 mins to get from the plane to railway station at Gatwick and I did not have any bags to collect ( note I could get through London City in 10 mins). Had to squeeze onto a train with standing room only, going to London Bridge because Victoria closed for engineering works ( again). Reached my central London destination at 12.30am. Do I think thats civilised no I dont!

I recognise that some people are happy with Easyjet because they focus on price but the same few seem to think thats all we should have and don't recognise any of the other benefits you get by having a choice!
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Old 19th Apr 2022, 12:12
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I flew Loganair yesterday. Half full flight.
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Old 20th Apr 2022, 03:46
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Originally Posted by IOMX View Post
Totally agree. Sadly there are some very loud and vocal posters on here who cannot see beyond a world of Easyjet. They are focused solely on price and don't seem bothered by randomly times flights at odd times of the day . Also they don't stop to think the headline price does not take into account bags.

There is one Haven't a Clue who is referencing Easyjet flights from the island at 0955 as civilised. Maybe that's the case but I was on the Easyjet flight 21.05 last night from the island to Gatwick. Started by being herded into a small room with 186 people waiting for 15mins to board the plane- that was certainly not civilised! Took 45 mins to get from the plane to railway station at Gatwick and I did not have any bags to collect ( note I could get through London City in 10 mins). Had to squeeze onto a train with standing room only, going to London Bridge because Victoria closed for engineering works ( again). Reached my central London destination at 12.30am. Do I think thats civilised no I dont!

I recognise that some people are happy with Easyjet because they focus on price but the same few seem to think thats all we should have and don't recognise any of the other benefits you get by having a choice!
Out or the all the posts on the subject, I would say the exact opposite is true and in fact it is you that is overly loud and vocal. Never have I seen a debate drag on for so long.

This isnít tribal, Iím an easyJetter, and I do actually get your point and recognise the benefit of having a twice daily, shoulders of the day service using smaller aircraft. That leads to an higher average fare. Forget extras, not that many hold bags go on an IOM, EZY or otherwise, and the flight is so short that the delights of inflight service are enjoyed if required.

I think what some of the loud, vocal, Ďhavenít a cluesí are highlighting is the fact such a service being offered has had itís ups and downs which suggests that the demand and profitability isnít necessarily where you expect it. If they are advertising it as a ďuse it or lose itĒ service then that isnít always a sure sign of a lucrative route. Not an inevitable failure but certainly not a cash cow.

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Old 20th Apr 2022, 07:57
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Some background and comment on points raised by others:

The flights I looked at were in just over 2 weeks time, and booked 3 weeks ago. The choice was

Loganair ex LCY dep 1830 arr 2005 £174pp inc bag - £522

easyJet ex LGW dep 1915 arr 2035 £33pp ex bag, £54 inc bag say £162

Pre Covid I flew to London at between 12 and 24 times a year. I've been flying IOM/LCY since the original BE operated their BHD/IOM/LCY service over 20 years ago. I flew IOM?LHR and then IOM/LGW with Manx then BA Connect. I flew IOM/LGW with the next generation BE until they pulled out due to LGW's price increases which favoured larger aircraft. I flew to City on EuroManx, Aer Arran and even VLM. BA's services using Eastern and Loganair metal became my service of choice. I am an LCY fan. I have probably flown no more than 10 returns with easyJet to 2020.

Thameslink gets me from LGW to EC1 in 40 minutes for £16 contactless (saves a queue) and back for £8.40 off peak. Tube and DLR used to get me to/from LCY in 40 minutes for £2.70; more now I guess. Loganair's Saab 2000 was quick to LCY until the changed airspace routing, when it was became 1hour 20 minutes. Loganair's ATR42 was much slower, taking up to an hour and 40 minutes. My flights with them in Feb/Mar 2020 pre Covid were quicker thanks to ATC giving them a direct routing. Return flights were just over an hour. easyJet are usually an hour to LGW; an hour 10 back. At LCY bussing to/from the early morning and the evening flight was the norm. Thus far easyJet manage to use the Gate 55 jetways but I've only used the 9.55 easyJet flight. The morning flight has been ahead or close to scheduled time of 1110 and with no hold baggage I can to get the 1146 Cambridge Thameslink service. Getting into LGW after 10pm doesn't appeal at all.

So real travel times for both routes are similar, although arriving at LCY on a mid day flight will usually get me into town slightly quicker and at a lower surface price.

I'm not an easyJet cheerleader. I started using them because they were the only option post Covid. I don't particularly like Gatwick. And if anything blocks the track between East Croyden and Gatwick you are stuffed. I'm not driven solely by price. But to pay £360 more to Loganair than I have to for the same service (and bear in mind we are hand baggage only so the actual extra payable was £421) seems crazy.

Let's see how this plays out.

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Old 20th May 2022, 20:14
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Passed through Ronaldsway for a heavily-delayed IOM-MAN Loganair flight this afternoon / evening. The terminal became increasingly packed - standing room only - with three EasyJet flights and a Loganair Liverpool service also delayed. This presented one major problem: the public address announcements in the departure lounge were completely inaudible. Nobody could hear anything that was said ... shrugs and puzzled glances all round.

I asked one of the airport staff if they could ask for the PA volume to be turned up. But she said that this was a known problem ... the system was set to full volume ... staff have been begging the airport management to do something about it for ages ... but nothing ever happens.

People who had seats were reluctant to vacate them to check up on announcements, as there was no chance of getting those seats back again if they did. Once I got to gate for my flight, I learned that we had been offered refreshment vouchers by Loganair due to our long delay. First I knew of it. Never heard a thing! Assigned gate numbers were learned by word of mouth ... screens are not visible from some sections of the terminal.

IOM management. Can you listen to your staff and sort out your dysfunctional public address system, please. WE CAN'T HEAR YOU!!! AND WE REALLY NEED TO!!!
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Old 23rd May 2022, 21:44
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Originally Posted by OzzyOzBorn View Post
Passed through Ronaldsway for a heavily-delayed IOM-MAN Loganair flight this afternoon / evening. The terminal became increasingly packed - standing room only - with three EasyJet flights and a Loganair Liverpool service also delayed. This presented one major problem: the public address announcements in the departure lounge were completely inaudible. Nobody could hear anything that was said ... shrugs and puzzled glances all round.

I asked one of the airport staff if they could ask for the PA volume to be turned up. But she said that this was a known problem ... the system was set to full volume ... staff have been begging the airport management to do something about it for ages ... but nothing ever happens.

People who had seats were reluctant to vacate them to check up on announcements, as there was no chance of getting those seats back again if they did. Once I got to gate for my flight, I learned that we had been offered refreshment vouchers by Loganair due to our long delay. First I knew of it. Never heard a thing! Assigned gate numbers were learned by word of mouth ... screens are not visible from some sections of the terminal.

IOM management. Can you listen to your staff and sort out your dysfunctional public address system, please. WE CAN'T HEAR YOU!!! AND WE REALLY NEED TO!!!
There is no management at Ronaldsway. There hasnít been for several months. Thatís why itís rapidly turned into something from the Third World.

They have appointed a new Director today, but he wonít start until August!
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Old 5th Jun 2022, 09:44
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EasyJet cancelled yet another flight from Gatwick to the Isle of Man last night . Recently the service had been absolutely appalling . I know there are difficulties in the airline sector in general but leaving the island in such a vulnerable position is unacceptable in my view .

Loganair have had some difficulties too but nothing compared to the EasyJet situation . I hope all those who think EasyJet are so wonderful and the answer for the Isle of Man reflect on recent performance.
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Old 5th Jun 2022, 10:13
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Originally Posted by IOMX View Post
EasyJet cancelled yet another flight from Gatwick to the Isle of Man last night . Recently the service had been absolutely appalling . I know there are difficulties in the airline sector in general but leaving the island in such a vulnerable position is unacceptable in my view .

Loganair have had some difficulties too but nothing compared to the EasyJet situation . I hope all those who think EasyJet are so wonderful and the answer for the Isle of Man reflect on recent performance.
In the past 7 days Easyjet has cancelled 3 flights. Loganair has cancelled one. Comparable to size thatís about the same performance and not bad considering on one day Easyjet had an IT failure. There have been a few delays on Loganair too.

As long as Iíve been reading this thread nobody has said Easyjet is the perfect solution for the IOM (like you constantly imply) but rather Easyjet is the only one paying their own way unlike the subsidised Loganair who will leave as soon as the subsidy stops.

Enjoy Loganair and keep giving them your money and they might stick around.
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Old 5th Jun 2022, 10:36
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Originally Posted by BA318 View Post
In the past 7 days Easyjet has cancelled 3 flights. Loganair has cancelled one. Comparable to size thatís about the same performance and not bad considering on one day Easyjet had an IT failure. There have been a few delays on Loganair too.

As long as Iíve been reading this thread nobody has said Easyjet is the perfect solution for the IOM (like you constantly imply) but rather Easyjet is the only one paying their own way unlike the subsidised Loganair who will leave as soon as the subsidy stops.

Enjoy Loganair and keep giving them your money and they might stick around.
Sorry I donít know whether you live on the island or travel there or not but the EasyJet services have been shocking . There have been cancellations major delays flights from Gatwick being diverted to Manchester then returned to Gatwick ( when at the same time their own Manchester to Isle of Man service operated ) . It been a total shambles and given itís an island there are very limited options when it goes wrong .

And also worth noting that not all Loganair services to the island are underwritten .

I suggest you focus on getting some of your facts straight before commenting in the way you do !
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Old 5th Jun 2022, 11:34
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Originally Posted by IOMX View Post
Sorry I donít know whether you live on the island or travel there or not but the EasyJet services have been shocking . There have been cancellations major delays flights from Gatwick being diverted to Manchester then returned to Gatwick ( when at the same time their own Manchester to Isle of Man service operated ) . It been a total shambles and given itís an island there are very limited options when it goes wrong .

And also worth noting that not all Loganair services to the island are underwritten .

I suggest you focus on getting some of your facts straight before commenting in the way you do !
We know. You donít like Easyjet and you think they are bad. You tell us every occasion that you post. Given the complaints about diversions what are you expecting to happen? I donít Easyjet are diverting for the fun of it.
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Old 5th Jun 2022, 11:58
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Originally Posted by BA318 View Post
We know. You donít like Easyjet and you think they are bad. You tell us every occasion that you post. Given the complaints about diversions what are you expecting to happen? I donít Easyjet are diverting for the fun of it.
Actually you are wrong I donít necessarily think EasyJet are bad if you looked at some of my past posts you would realise I believe a mix of EasyJet and a smaller local operator is right for the island . Unlike some I take a more balance and considered view of the situation. And of course EasyJet donít divert for fun but itís odd when it was diverted to Manchester it ended up eventually going back to Gatwick whereas the Manchester flight itself took off and landed .

If you were on the island or used the route you might realise that the problem is basically the timing of the evening Gatwick flight . It is scheduled to land on the island during the summer at 20.35 which is very close to the airport closing time of 21.15 so any delays during the delay of the operating plane mean itís not possible to get into the island . Yet during the winter it is scheduled to land at 19.25 . To my mind thatís poor scheduling .

However I will call out poor service and the EasyJet service recently has been appalling . Equally Loganair need to improve too they have had their challenges.
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Old 16th Jun 2022, 07:03
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Not something you expect to hear about at Ronaldsway.......rolling delays of arrivals/departures being reported on Manx Radio.

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-...icous-package/

https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/emer...oFBUQ59ODT3z0E

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Old 16th Jun 2022, 10:02
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Suspicious package? OMG! You mean an aircraft that was actually running to schedule.
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"suspicious item was identified in the baggage checking area"
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Old 16th Jun 2022, 11:20
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Fair play on EZY only deferring their flight rather than LOG canx everything!
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Old 16th Jun 2022, 11:57
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With based aircraft and no prospect of ATC extension of watch for several hours tonight to enable all flights to take place, cancellations this morning were the only option. Flights under way for the rest of the day onwards. What other solution did you have in mind?
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Old 16th Jun 2022, 20:42
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With based aircraft and no prospect of ATC extension of watch for several hours tonight to enable all flights to take place, cancellations this morning were the only option. Flights under way for the rest of the day onwards. What other solution did you have in mind?
So how come the EZY Gatwick is not now due to arrive until 10:20PM today and then depart at 10:50PM, is that not an easy ATC extension to catch up and not unconvince pax too much?
If LOG runs late would they just canx leaving customers to overnight at unexpected cost to themselves?
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Old 16th Jun 2022, 22:43
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IOM terminal didn't re-open to passengers until 1100 today meaning the first departure of a based aircraft would have been some time after that - probably an hour at best.

Five hour delay on a based aircraft scheduled to depart at 0650 and finish at 2030 would have pushed its arrival on the last flight tonight until 0130 assuming no time made up through the day, and you more likely lose time than gain it given the handling / ATC / PRM problems out there right now.

Even if IOM would have stayed open to 0130 tonight (which is most unlikely), there would be serious knock-on delays into tomorrow due crew duty hours.

Tonight's EZY LGW delay also looks to be nothing to do with this morning's issues as the 320 in question has flown to SVQ and FAO. It's running late because of a delay to the FAO, not because of IOM security this morning. The FAO delay looks to have been LGW ATC systems failure issue according to the EZY website.

It's not a day for points scoring on any side - it's a mess all round, by the looks of it. Most of it seems to be stuff that no airline can change whether security or ATC.
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Old 17th Jun 2022, 11:56
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No, wasn't trying to get any points. Just you said no prospect of ATC extension when clearly after problems at Gatwick ATC EZY ask for such and extension which was given.
My real grief was the Birmingham flight, seemed to get flight planned a little later than scheduled but then that canx. Brum pax would have no alternative.
Do LOG not have spare aircraft for such get back on track operations or are the loads so weak that they can combine AM & PM schedules.
Many here slag off EZY at the drop if a hat but if they left and LOG cannot recover an outage then the IOM would be in a worse position.
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They found an unexpected object on the runway today. It was later identified as an aircraft.
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