Isle of Man-3

[Dct_Mopas]

Both ILS systems are scheduled to be replaced during July. Runway 08 first followed by Runway 26.

It seems however, at times, both ILS systems will unavailable at the same time. Depending on cloud/ fog/ winds then some weather disruption to flights is inevitable.

[pabely]

Cannot see this has been NOTAMed yet. Still only CAT 1 no doubt :-(

[Dct_Mopas]

Originally Posted by pabely

Cannot see this has been NOTAMed yet. Still only CAT 1 no doubt :-(

NOTAMS will be published closer the time, covering initially the ILS 08 works which start on the 4th July. No idea if we’ll get an increased ILS category other than CAT 1. Only news is that the localiser and glideslope antenna’s/ transmitters are being replaced.

[IOMX]

Seems Easyjet have suspended Manchester flights to the Isle of Man from the end of June to the end of October. No doubt due to the changes they have had to make more broadly for the summer months. At least there is still the choice to fly with Loganair given they have persisted on the route although some posters would have wanted them long gone! And no they are not underwritten on this route either!

[pabely]

Originally Posted by Dct_Mopas

NOTAMS will be published closer the time, covering initially the ILS 08 works which start on the 4th July. No idea if we’ll get an increased ILS category other than CAT 1. Only news is that the localiser and glideslope antenna’s/ transmitters are being replaced.

Thanks. It has been debated before about CAT II & CAT III, a lost opportunity when the runway starter strip was put in years ago with no provision for required lighting :-(

[3legs]

It would be nice to have the 08 Localiser aligned with the runway and not offset.
Lighting has been an ongoing issue for some time and at best we have a basic system requiring 1000m visibility.

If CATII was installed the weather diversions due to reduced visibility would be significantly reduced. I've seen many have to turn back when the visibility drops below 800m and CMV can not be used.

[pabely]

CAT III was called for by the Industry but was voted down politically due to cost but other vanity projects went ahead.
https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-...smetic-vanity/
Now what happened to Tim Baker!?

[RVF750]

You can't get CAT2 on Rwy 26. Not now or ever unfortunately. For a CAT2 approach you need terra firma under you are 100ft RA. The lighting is the same for CAT2 and CAT3 but you need solid ground under you at 50ft RA for CAT3. Add to this you need to add 300m landing distance on top of your normal one for an autoland.

If you were to displace the threshold on 26 to allow the 100ft point to be on the starter strip, plus add 300m on the end, you'll be halfway to Castletown football pitch. For a CAT3A or 3B, you still need all the lighting and 300m extension but can get away with swinging some of the lights out on a gantry.

Both would also allow the 08 Localiser aerial to sit on the sea wall at the start of 26 though.

In practical terms, would they want to lose the New Castletown Road, or build a tunnel under it for traffic? For the 10 days a year we lose due to poor weather? I don't think the maths adds up my self.

I am all up for pushing the 26 threshold 60m towards Castletown where it used to be to allow more lighting and a reduction in CAT1 minima though.

The previous Airport Director was warned (minuted)not to move the GP antenna and threshold towards the sea to gain distance at the expense of lighting. She ignored the professional opinions at the time and feigned ignorance for many years afterwards.

[Jenny Tails]

Flybe are back at IOM:

BHD-IOM starts 30/10/22
BE606 BHD 1420-1500 IOM (Mon-Fri) BE608 BHD 1805-1845 IOM (Sun)
BE609 IOM 1920-2000 BHD (Sun) BE607 IOM 2015-2055 BHD (Mon-Fri)

IOM-LHR starts 31/10/22
BE725 IOM 1545-1720 LHR (Mon-Fri)
BE726 LHR 1805-1940 IOM (Mon-Fri)

[pabely]

Brave! Let's see who wins with LHR.

[Mr Optimistic]

How to apologise whilst laying blame elsewhere.....

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-...ight-scrapped/

[CandyBender]

Well that lasted! Head to head with an underwritten LM service to LHR made as much sense as LHR-LBA with no feed. https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-...BlU7-4CrVKkdA8

[pabely]

At least better news of Dublin bound pax making connections to long haul easier https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-ma...iom-announced/

[CandyBender]

IOM - LHR to continue for Summer 2023 - no mention of whether the service is underwritten by the IoM government.

https://gef.im/2022/12/09/loganair-c...Zl1Fmh7SdbQ4Ds

[pabely]

Airport currently closed for de-icing
A) EGNS
B) 22/12/16 06:10 C) 22/12/16 14:10
E) EGNS 12160610 08 1/1/1 100/100/100 NR/NR/NR ICE/ICE/ICE TAXIWAYS ALL ICE SNOWCLO.
Why are they not telling the public that they are waiting for nature to de-ice? I assume like Southend they have no de-icer (due to covid no doubt!)

[RVF750]

Happy New Year Manxies.

[Asturias56]

i always knew time passed at a different rate in the IoM - New Year is 50 days later than the rest of the UK.............

[pabely]

Aer Lingus restoring double daily and starting Belfast x4 week.

[HMN851X]

Aer Lingus to Belfast

Saturday
EI3634 10:05 Belfast - 10.50 IOM 11:15 Belfast 12:00 EI3635
Sunday
EI3634 09.00 Belfast - 09.45 IOM 10.15 Belfast 11.00 EI3635
Monday to Friday
EI3634 12:50 Belfast - 13.35 IOM 14.00 Belfast 14:45 EI3635

[Dct_Mopas]

With the recent aerodrome closures, anyone aware why they only seem to be planned to coincide with the easyJet arrivals?

Just seems rather bad planning. That and with no ILS on 26 for the month, operationally the airport is not doing great.