Isle of Man-3
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Not so many places currently
Age: 59
Posts: 3,408
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Super good news and should have been done when the original project was done.
Lower decision height & RVR will make a big difference enabling more to get in during poor conditions.
Lower decision height & RVR will make a big difference enabling more to get in during poor conditions.
Airlines interested in operating services to and from the Isle of Man have been asked to come forward.
The Department of Infrastructure (DOI) said it wants to gauge interest in scheduling services to airports in London and the North West. The procurement exercise was to identify "suitably capable and experienced airlines" that could service the routes.
The DOI said it was an exploratory exercise for the time being. The prior information notice has called for airlines capable of servicing a London route to submit a summary of their experience, with details of their current aircraft fleet and proposed schedule, and capacity for routes.
The department has asked for information about current slots at London Heathrow, London City and London Gatwick airports, and proposals for others in the region with direct rail connections to central London.
The Department of Infrastructure (DOI) said it wants to gauge interest in scheduling services to airports in London and the North West. The procurement exercise was to identify "suitably capable and experienced airlines" that could service the routes.
The DOI said it was an exploratory exercise for the time being. The prior information notice has called for airlines capable of servicing a London route to submit a summary of their experience, with details of their current aircraft fleet and proposed schedule, and capacity for routes.
The department has asked for information about current slots at London Heathrow, London City and London Gatwick airports, and proposals for others in the region with direct rail connections to central London.
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Not so many places currently
Age: 59
Posts: 3,408
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Another total useless exercise by IOM Government who have no idea. Sort out the ATC issues at the airport they manage (or mis-manange), reduce landing fees to an industry norm to make such a proposal attractive.
Slots at LHR, LGW & LCY are prized assets worth millions. If I was say IAG controlling CityFlyer, where I could ( and do) fly my planes to EDI or BFS and can charge good money, why would I consider IOM where landing charges are high (no CAT3 for bad weather ops) and the Manx public still expect fares for £9 return!
Get your local product in order first. God they can fund unlimited public cash at the boats so why not the airport?
Slots at LHR, LGW & LCY are prized assets worth millions. If I was say IAG controlling CityFlyer, where I could ( and do) fly my planes to EDI or BFS and can charge good money, why would I consider IOM where landing charges are high (no CAT3 for bad weather ops) and the Manx public still expect fares for £9 return!
Get your local product in order first. God they can fund unlimited public cash at the boats so why not the airport?
Change at Reading for London Paddington and the Elizabeth Line to the City.
Change at Clapham Junction for London Victoria and the TFL Overground
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Europe
Posts: 2,166
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
What is their grief? As per the IOM website, the airport has the best selection of routes for a long time (BFS, BHD, BHX, BRS, DUB, EDI, LPL, LGW, LHR, LCY, MAN) . What is the issue? Compared to the past, I only see GLA as an obvious gap in the network (although it has always been a somewhat thin route). More frequencies to places like BHX or BRS?
Not sure how things have developed on the Isle of Man, but if the development is only remotely close to the Channel Islands, leisure related travel must have gone down quite a bit over the past 20 years and accordingly also demand for air travel. Or has outbound travel and business-related travel dramatically increased?
Not sure how things have developed on the Isle of Man, but if the development is only remotely close to the Channel Islands, leisure related travel must have gone down quite a bit over the past 20 years and accordingly also demand for air travel. Or has outbound travel and business-related travel dramatically increased?
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Godalming
Posts: 102
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
LTN, SEN & STN don't currently have flights to IOM - and all of them have rail connections into London.
As for the North West, BLK could be used to help serve Lancashire and also CAX to serve the Cumbrian market - both of these are reasonably close to the Lake District to cater for any inbound tourists who wish to visit from the Isle of Man.
As for the North West, BLK could be used to help serve Lancashire and also CAX to serve the Cumbrian market - both of these are reasonably close to the Lake District to cater for any inbound tourists who wish to visit from the Isle of Man.
As for the North West, there's also BLK that could help to serve Lancashire, and also possibly Carlisle to serve Cumbria - both of which are reasonably close to the Lake District to cater for any inbound tourists who wish to visit from the Isle of Man.
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Europe
Posts: 2,166
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Pardon my ignorance, but why would an island in the middle of the Irish Sea with 80k or so inhabitants need airline service to more than 3 London airports? Maybe places like Barcelona or Amsterdam (which, I think, at some point, indeed had service from all six LON airports) justify such a plethora of routes...
Last edited by virginblue; 22nd Jul 2023 at 12:49.
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Godalming
Posts: 102
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
True, neither currently do, however BLK in particular has already suggested that flights to IOM are being considered, plus it's worth remembering that IOM-BLK was a popular route when it was previously served by Spacegrand, Manx, Loganair and more recently Manx2/Citywing, especially when there was the option of being able to stay on the aircraft at IOM and continue onto Belfast.
I've long thought there is still the business there for a Spacegrand type operation between BLK, CAX, IOM, BFS/BHD, DUB but there aren't the operators now (even the S.340 at CAX was a bit big) and how do you handle airport costs (BLK now has no pasenger handling facilities and when LOG were at CAX there seemed to be as many staff as pax). It would need to be treated more how the Highlands and Islands services are done.
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Europe
Posts: 2,166
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I think popular is relative. After the glory days of BUA and its Heralds, it was most of the times a 19 seater Twin Otter / Let 410 route. Bigger equipment like the Saab 340 did not work. As there are no longer airlines around with that kind of equipment it pretty much is a non-starter (unless you would throw so much money at Skybus that they cannot say no or pay a foreing carrier like AIS Airlines to base an aircraft).
Oh gosh no - we had SH330/360s at BMA and they saw Channel Islands services at weekends, ugh!
The London Heathrow route for me was twice daily BMA (then became Manx) Viscounts (73 seats) which were usually well loaded, BD 301/302 rings a bell lol;
or the 4 x daily BD LHR-LPL flights which all had an onward IOM connection, also with Viscounts.
BMA got the LHR-IOM route from BA in 1980 (along with the LHR-LBA and LHR-BHX), previously this was a Cambrian Airways route with 1-11's and Viscounts.
It was a prime route for us, and via LPL too.
The London Heathrow route for me was twice daily BMA (then became Manx) Viscounts (73 seats) which were usually well loaded, BD 301/302 rings a bell lol;
or the 4 x daily BD LHR-LPL flights which all had an onward IOM connection, also with Viscounts.
BMA got the LHR-IOM route from BA in 1980 (along with the LHR-LBA and LHR-BHX), previously this was a Cambrian Airways route with 1-11's and Viscounts.
It was a prime route for us, and via LPL too.
I know during Covid, the steam train service at Ronaldsway Halt was suspended. Has service to this stations resumed again or are train just passing through non-stop regardless of passenger request ?
I've been looking on the web - but timetables show timings just for the principal stations, not the request stops. Ronaldsway Halt also appears to be missing from recently published maps
I've been looking on the web - but timetables show timings just for the principal stations, not the request stops. Ronaldsway Halt also appears to be missing from recently published maps
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: IOM & GLA
Posts: 113
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I know during Covid, the steam train service at Ronaldsway Halt was suspended. Has service to this stations resumed again or are train just passing through non-stop regardless of passenger request ?
I've been looking on the web - but timetables show timings just for the principal stations, not the request stops. Ronaldsway Halt also appears to be missing from recently published maps
I've been looking on the web - but timetables show timings just for the principal stations, not the request stops. Ronaldsway Halt also appears to be missing from recently published maps
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Not so many places currently
Age: 59
Posts: 3,408
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
"The halt was temporarily suspended for the 2021 season amid the Covid-19 pandemic and reopened fully at the start of the next season in 2022."
https://www.iomsrsa.org/the-railway/...onaldsway-halt
I was last on it August 2022 and 2 people did jump on :-)
https://www.iomsrsa.org/the-railway/...onaldsway-halt
I was last on it August 2022 and 2 people did jump on :-)
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Not so many places currently
Age: 59
Posts: 3,408
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
