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There are a few airlines I’ve long thought don’t particularly need to be at LHR and VN are one of them. I doubt they provide much feed this end and the network their end is limited, mainly domestic which is most likely leisure dominated.
Why do you think that, out of interest?
There are a few airlines I’ve long thought don’t particularly need to be at LHR and VN are one of them. I doubt they provide much feed this end and the network their end is limited, mainly domestic which is most likely leisure dominated.
There are a few airlines I’ve long thought don’t particularly need to be at LHR and VN are one of them. I doubt they provide much feed this end and the network their end is limited, mainly domestic which is most likely leisure dominated.
Having previously served LGW prior to relocating to LHR I would have thought that the former would have been the preferred option rather than STN.
Vietnam Airlines a SkyTeam alliance member and an airline with all the benefits of Terminal 4 at LHR, only LGW can only really replicate that.
I agree with your assumption regarding some airlines currently serving LHR although there are not many.
But in my opinion I don't include Vietnam Airlines in that very short list.
STN is a fantastic airport and I wish there was more long haul destinations but I honestly can't understand why Vietnam Airlines would look at STN over a return to LGW.
STN is great for Emirates for various reasons and I can't understand why Jetblue have totally overlooked the airport.
If for example Vietnam Airlines did indeed move to STN it could in some way be a catalyst for others to do the same, even if it was a split operation with LHR. "Ethiopian Airlines springs to mind as I type that".
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Your synopsis misses out key ingredient Vietnam has access to the ENTIRE Sky network, massive VFR leisure and cargo demand 400 or so miles south in Paris .
Heathrow ( London) isn’t their biggest European market by any stretch.
Heathrow ( London) isn’t their biggest European market by any stretch.
And the key ingredient of losing $1m a day last year. If they can't afford to be at LHR, and just want to serve London maybe they got a better offer from STN.
I think it would be odd for LHR to actively look to lose a daily long haul flag carrier flying a B789 long haul in favour of adding (for example) another Eurowings A320 to Germany. What's the footfall and retail revenue comparison? I hope some kind of accomadation might happen.
Its obvious that your not getting my point.
The point is, why would HAL want to lose a long haul flag carrier to a country unserved by any other airline.
FYI....It's only 290 miles between LHR and CDG, not 400 or so miles.
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I wasn't suggesting that LHR was Vietnam Airlines biggest European market. No where in my post did I mention that. And of course I'm totally aware of the fact that Vietnam Airlines serve CDG, A SkyTeam fortress.
Its obvious that your not getting my point.
The point is, why would HAL want to lose a long haul flag carrier to a country unserved by any other airline.
FYI....It's only 290 miles between LHR and CDG, not 400 or so miles.
Its obvious that your not getting my point.
The point is, why would HAL want to lose a long haul flag carrier to a country unserved by any other airline.
FYI....It's only 290 miles between LHR and CDG, not 400 or so miles.
If they did they would demonstrate that by persuading BA ( IAG) to widen their portfolio beyond the “bazillion” US cities and towns into more of the developing economies ( They can’t as the carrier and parents rightly make there route decision based their own bottom line !)
We are returning to a more normal ACL and slot allocation process.
As for the pedantry on the mileage - pff and just a distracting technique.
The fact is Vietnam aren’t an important carrier especially in the UK market , indeed given there financial condition , retrenching to Paris and allowing AFKL to distribute would probably help their bottom line and reduce the losses.
Plenty of carriers over the years have been “forced” out of Heathrow and some yet returned . As other have said it’s not bilaterals here is simply availability of slots and frankly HAL couldn’t care less for the users of slots or indeed number of carrier's.
The fact is Vietnam aren’t an important carrier especially in the UK market , indeed given there financial condition , retrenching to Paris and allowing AFKL to distribute would probably help their bottom line and reduce the losses.
The fact is Vietnam aren’t an important carrier especially in the UK market , indeed given there financial condition , retrenching to Paris and allowing AFKL to distribute would probably help their bottom line and reduce the losses.
HAL do care about who uses the slots, that's why they have a pricing model that penalises smaller aircraft. They want Emirates 6 x daily A380s before a similar volume of ATRs.. Losing two long haul destinations in SGN and HAN is something I would say they care about, maybe just not enough to intervene. Does anyone know by how much they missed the use it or lose it criteria? It's not as if they've been absent from LHR entirely.
Yes HAL can offer inducements/disincentives but they have no control over slots or there use. Do we know Vietnam have lost slots through use it or l;ose it? Lots of other possibilities - where did the slots come from? If leased maybe the owner wants them back or they can't justify the cost.
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Vietnam got newly created slots back in 2015
https://aviationweek.com/heathrow-re...lines-services (paywalled article but in the 'snippet' it mentions LHR worked with NATS to create the slots)
https://aviationweek.com/heathrow-re...lines-services (paywalled article but in the 'snippet' it mentions LHR worked with NATS to create the slots)
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Hi Air Xyz I’d love for you to serve abc and I’ll give you a preferential rate for terminal services .
Customer does that include slot access?
HAL well only if you can fit in Saturday evening at 2130,
Otherwise it’s out to market for you , or wait in the ACL queue !
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HAL do care about who uses the slots, that's why they have a pricing model that penalises smaller aircraft. They want Emirates 6 x daily A380s before a similar volume of ATRs.. Losing two long haul destinations in SGN and HAN is something I would say they care about, maybe just not enough to intervene. Does anyone know by how much they missed the use it or lose it criteria? It's not as if they've been absent from LHR entirely.
Yet they want a network ( well actually politicians do ) yet can’t accommodate the range of feeders others can . Yes that’s the foundation of the third runway debate however let’s be honest the domestics haven’t been a roaring success have they ?
It’s a double bind,, when a part of your business strategies are either impacted by price capping and/or the prime operating asset ( long strips of concrete) is managed by another .
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They create new slots every so often with the help of NATS and modified airspace utilisation however they aren’t for the benefit of any specific carrier !
That a pure fluff piece .
That a pure fluff piece .
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HAL do care about who uses the slots, that's why they have a pricing model that penalises smaller aircraft. They want Emirates 6 x daily A380s before a similar volume of ATRs.. Losing two long haul destinations in SGN and HAN is something I would say they care about