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The failiure (30 years ago) to build R3 crippled LHR. A considerable part of the regional traffic that hubbed there - has now gone to other carriers who link their European hubs from the smaller fields and the likes of EK who hub at MAN and some other options. That is fine by me as I live nearby and it has been my local / terminal airfield (one way and another) since I first went there in 1965. But they cannot build themselves out of this now. Also, having purchased all the surrounding land to the North side - they will have to sell that at a low price and folks will need Quadruple glazing. Happily, the aircraft are much quieter than they were in the 1960s.
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Given how valuable LHR slots remain, I’d hardly say LHR is “crippled” at all.
Just sounds like a load of bitter moaning from people in the regions to me. Been going on for 20 years or so now. I can’t see any facts or numbers to back up any of the claims in the last ten posts or so.
As for LHR being difficult, try AMS this Summer. Or FRA, if your flight hasn’t already been cut by LH.
Just sounds like a load of bitter moaning from people in the regions to me. Been going on for 20 years or so now. I can’t see any facts or numbers to back up any of the claims in the last ten posts or so.
As for LHR being difficult, try AMS this Summer. Or FRA, if your flight hasn’t already been cut by LH.
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The failiure (30 years ago) to build R3 crippled LHR. A considerable part of the regional traffic that hubbed there - has now gone to other carriers who link their European hubs from the smaller fields and the likes of EK who hub at MAN and some other options. That is fine by me as I live nearby and it has been my local / terminal airfield (one way and another) since I first went there in 1965. But they cannot build themselves out of this now. Also, having purchased all the surrounding land to the North side - they will have to sell that at a low price and folks will need Quadruple glazing. Happily, the aircraft are much quieter than they were in the 1960s.
LHR isn’t crippled. Most flights still command a premium and BA still makes decent profits (usually better than LH and AF/KLM).
As for other comments above like BA not feeding you in Business class is rubbish. BA even offer a choice of food in J on short haul unlike LH take it or leave it option (although there are always issues with the numbers loaded).
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BA domestic flights currently are and have been for some time nearly always full. A meal is offered to all in business class even on the short JER and MAN sectors.A snack and water is offered to all economy customers.The majority of customers on board are generally connecting passengers through LHR or connecting customers off the inbound onto the international network. The early morning departures are particularly busy but struggle with performance and punctuality. The huge number of inbound passengers struggle to pass through Border force and security in time for their flight. BA model is still a hub operation generally the split is roughly 60% front of house 40% connecting customers. Some flights have as much as 90% transfer passengers from across the network.
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Yes you could say it is bitterness in the regions as British Airways are the nations national carrier. However when they only take you to LHR to transfer it makes it impractical to use them when living outside the SE and LHR has many operational issues. Indeed there are quite a few U Tube videos on the ongoing issues there, and the service given by BA and their ground staff. Yes I have experienced the issue with LH cutting flights but I did get told 2 months before. BA did it so regularly that it became a bad joke so I voted with my feet and do not use them anymore.
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They do feed you but it was not that impressive according to my wife who still has to use them currently. As for BA making a profit I don’t care, as I am a customer, not a share holder, and it is the customer experience we are talking about here not the carriers books. BA really are mostly focussed on the Trans Atlantic routes which as I generally don’t go that way I don’t need to use them.
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Yes you could say it is bitterness in the regions as British Airways are the nations national carrier. However when they only take you to LHR to transfer it makes it impractical to use them when living outside the SE and LHR has many operational issues. Indeed there are quite a few U Tube videos on the ongoing issues there, and the service given by BA and their ground staff. Yes I have experienced the issue with LH cutting flights but I did get told 2 months before. BA did it so regularly that it became a bad joke so I voted with my feet and do not use them anymore.
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They do feed you but it was not that impressive according to my wife who still has to use them currently. As for BA making a profit I don’t care, as I am a customer, not a share holder, and it is the customer experience we are talking about here not the carriers books. BA really are mostly focussed on the Trans Atlantic routes which as I generally don’t go that way I don’t need to use them.
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You are of course correct re IAG share holdings. I was using the point that it was their performance as a customer experience, rather than as a business that concerned me, which I am pretty sure you appreciate.
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You are of course correct re IAG share holdings. I was using the point that it was their performance as a customer experience, rather than as a business that concerned me, which I am pretty sure you appreciate.
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Sorry that I put it that way, I meant that EK hub TO MAN, along with LH, AF, KL and probably some others.
The reason I say that LHR is crippled is because they can never expand. There will never be an R3 and that will keep it as a cash cow but it cannot get bigger. On the days that one runway is unavailble, the chaos takes days to clear and I have been in that chaos. Airports that really want to be big do not have that limitation. There are some who want R3 and many who do not. The fact that the slots are so priced and that the airport commands a premium is handy for those charging the prices.
I'm not sure if:
was aimed at me. For the record, I have had LHR as my 'local' for over 40 years and first travelled through it in 1965. Also, I think the people in the regions have greatly benefitted by the lack of expansion of LHR, for the reasons I gave.
The reason I say that LHR is crippled is because they can never expand. There will never be an R3 and that will keep it as a cash cow but it cannot get bigger. On the days that one runway is unavailble, the chaos takes days to clear and I have been in that chaos. Airports that really want to be big do not have that limitation. There are some who want R3 and many who do not. The fact that the slots are so priced and that the airport commands a premium is handy for those charging the prices.
I'm not sure if:
bitter moaning from people in the regions to me.
Any thought on FlyOne's new route to Chisinau in Moldova ? Are these free slots, and if so, from whom ?
Neither airline, route, nor target market seem what one might expect at Heathrow... and I say this having flown Flyone from Luton to Chisinau last month
Neither airline, route, nor target market seem what one might expect at Heathrow... and I say this having flown Flyone from Luton to Chisinau last month
Well that's how every airline has gone. Air France is now a Paris only operation. Iberia is a Madrid only operation. Lufthansa may have two hubs, Frankfurt and Munich, but have given up direct operations from Hamburg, Dusseldorf and even Berlin.
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However you are missing the fact that Lufthansa own Eurowings, and they operate to other points other than Frankfurt and Munich. I can only go to LHR with BA from Manchester which makes operations to closer European cities a tedious task if using BA and LHR. Hence my use of Lufthansa and Frankfurt and Munich. The longer haul stuff has gone to Singapore/ Emirates/ Lufthansa for me. However I am going on BA in late November via LHR to Johannesburg but it is only due to a client request who is London based.
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They retain regional and Maghreb services from Lille, Nantes , Marseilles, Lyon and Nice whilst their subsidiary Transavia fly from more including a significant presence at my second home in Nantes.
Eurowings ARE a LH group company that operates loads of none hub services including long haul from Dusseldorf .
Only BA completely abandoned regional services within their home market except for a few weekend quasi charters by subsidiary CFE.
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UA pulling their BOS route. Too much cheap seat competition with so many carriers? wrong product on a Premium 763, or hint the US boom bubble about to pop? JetBlue will be delighted.
City is the only decent airport in the London area
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There is bugger all feed beyond Logan (caveat as a backup to other hubs when those are over sold) sustained with a combination FFL and a few corporate contracts .
The Heathrow slot pair will be repurposed and United capacity will remain unchanged.
Hazard a guess this allows Denver to go year round without impacting the core services