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[Richard Taylor]

Seem to recall BA used to have a schedule to CVG in the 80s using the TriStar. A long time ago now mind you, so cannot remember if there was anything mote recent.

[Sotonsean]

Originally Posted by Richard Taylor

Seem to recall BA used to have a schedule to CVG in the 80s using the TriStar. A long time ago now mind you, so cannot remember if there was anything mote recent.

​​​​​​RIchard..... There has only ever been one operator flying direct from Cincinnati to London. Delta have previously been the sole operator on the route. Delta inaugurated Cincinnati to London Gatwick in 1986 with L1011 TriStar-500.

DL36 DEP CVG 20.40 ARR LGW 09.00 Daily L15.

CVG to LGW lasted up until Delta obtained slots at LHR in 2008. I can't remember if the CVG route transferred to LHR at the time or if it was abandoned.

British Airways have never previously served Cincinnati. Cincinnati will be a totally new US destination for British Airways.

Previous unserved US destinations for British Airways are Anchorage, Charlotte, Charleston, Detroit, Ft Lauderdale and Oakland. British Caledonian also briefly served St Louis in 1981/82.

[cavokblues]

BA have definitely served Detroit, flew the route as pax in mid 2000s.

[CabinCrewe]

Im sure I had a route map with Anchorage on it at one point too? and wasn't OAK a Norwegian spoiler exc LGW?

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Previous unserved US destinations for British Airways are Anchorage, Detroit, Ft Lauderdale and Oakland. British Caledonian also briefly served St Louis in 1981/82.

I think you meant "served"? FLL and OAK were recently served from Gatport Airwick and ANC was the stop on the BA5/6 on the way to Tokyo ending only with the delivery of the B747-400 and Russian airspace being opened up. DTW was served with a Houston tag on til 2006 as IAH was a LGW direct due Bermuda 2.

[BACsuperVC10]

Definitely remember seeing Anchorage featured in an old Highlife magazine route map.

[Flitefone]

BEY

Originally Posted by cavokblues

BA have definitely served Detroit, flew the route as pax in mid 2000s.

DTW was the 2nd leg of LHR/YMX route (now YUL) I used it often when it was operated by BA B747 (1990s) many of the DTW pax seemed to be traveling to/from Beirut.

FF

[AircraftOperations]

Originally Posted by cavokblues

BA have definitely served Detroit, flew the route as pax in mid 2000s.

Yes - The B767 was the equipment when I flew the route from LHR.

[Mark J Bowcock]

Originally Posted by AircraftOperations

Yes - The B767 was the equipment when I flew the route from LHR.

I flew on the BA095 to Detroit on a 747. I remember it stopped in Montreal on the way ! Weren’t many passengers left on it after the stop to carry on to Detroit.

[Asturias56]

"Im sure I had a route map with Anchorage on it at one point too?"

I think that was on the polar Tokyo flights early on

[Sotonsean]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

I think you meant "served"? FLL and OAK were recently served from Gatport Airwick and ANC was the stop on the BA5/6 on the way to Tokyo ending only with the delivery of the B747-400 and Russian airspace being opened up. DTW was served with a Houston tag on til 2006 as IAH was a LGW direct due Bermuda 2.

I was referring to former as in unserved US destinations that British Airways previously flew to in the USA.

Over the last few years British Airways as you rightly know have resumed service to a couple of US destinations that they used to previously serve such as New Orleans and Pittsburgh. The remaining destinations that British Airways previously served in my previous post are still "unserved" by British Airways.

Regardless of the fact that FLL and OAK were both flown from LGW they are still unserved or should I say former US destinations previously served by British Airways.

​​​​​​I'm aware of the Houston tag and Bermuda II.

Detroit was one of BOAC's original USA destinations and the company started serving it in the 1950's with Britannia aircraft. Over the years and definitely towards the end DTW operated via several different cities including including Montreal, Washington and of course the tag on to Houston.

Although Anchorage was basically a fuel and cargo stop, the flight between LHR and ANC was fully bookable and was listed at the time as a British Airways destination. The company that I previously worked for used the route a lot to transfer crew to Anchorage from LHR.

The schedule for summer 1980 shows.

BA 5 DEP LHR 12.10 ARR ANC 11.05 DEP ANC 12.20 ARR NRT 14.50 747 Days 1357
BA 6 DEP NRT 21.30 ARR ANC 09.00 DEP ANC 10.35 ARR LHR 05.15 747 days 1246

​​​​​​BA 5 extended to ITM (Osaka) days 135
BA 6 originates from ITM (Osaka) days 246

BA 191 DEP LHR 11.30 ARR IAD 16.50 DEP IAD 17.50 ARR DTW 17.05 747 Days 1234567
BA 190 DEP DTW 19.00 ARR IAD 18.45 DEP IAD 21.00 ARR LHR 09.00 747 Days 1234567

​​​​​I can't find the schedules for LHR-DTW-IAH-DTW-LHR or LHR-YUL-DTW-YUL-LHR.

British Airways discontinued LHR-DTW-IAH-DTW-LHR on the 29/30 March 2008. Bermuda II officially ended at the start of the IATA summer season on Sunday 30 March 2008. With the end of Bermuda II British Airways as you rightly know transferred their remaining US flights from LGW to ATL, DFW, IAH to LHR.

​​​​​​For Summer 2023 British Airways will fly to the following destination's in the USA.

​​​​ATL Atlanta
AUS Austin
BWI Baltimore
BOS Boston
ORD Chicago-O'Hare
CVG Cincinnati (begins 05 June 2023)
DFW Dallas-Fort Worth
DEN Denver
IAH Houston-Intercontinental
LAS Las Vegas (from LGW and LHR)
LAX Los Angeles
MIA Miami
BNA Nashville
EWR Newark
MSY New Orleans
JFK New York (from LGW and LHR)
MCO Orlando (from LGW)
PHL Philadelphia
PHX Phoenix-Sky Harbor
PIT Pittsburgh
PDX Portland
SAN San Diego
SFO San Francisco
SJC San Jose
SEA Seattle-Tacoma
TPA Tampa (from LGW)
IAD Washington-Dulles

With the following former and already mentioned (now unserved) British Airways destinations in the USA.

ANC Anchorage
CLT Charlotte
CHS Charleston
DTW Detroit
FLL Ft Lauderdale (from LGW)
OAK Oakland (from LGW)

And going way back including.
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STL St. Louis (BCAL 1981/82 from LGW)


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[davidjohnson6]

Aeroitalia opening a route to Florence in Italy next month. Yes, up against Vueling from Gatwick and BACF from City. And yes, they are also launching Heathrow to Bergamo next month as well. No, I don't understand how they are going to make money either
https://italiavola.com/2022/11/22/ae...te-da-firenze/

[AirLCY]

Originally Posted by davidjohnson6

Aeroitalia opening a route to Florence in Italy next month. Yes, up against Vueling from Gatwick and BACF from City. And yes, they are also launching Heathrow to Bergamo next month as well. No, I don't understand how they are going to make money either
https://italiavola.com/2022/11/22/ae...te-da-firenze/

On a 737 will be interesting with that runway, there’s a reason why there are no 737 operators in FLR

[Asturias56]

"On a 737 will be interesting with that runway, there’s a reason why there are no 737 operators in FLR"

Indeed!! You'd think someone would ask "why has no-one tried this before?"

[WHBM]

Originally Posted by Sotonsean

Detroit was one of BOAC's original USA destinations and the company started serving it in the 1950's with Britannia aircraft. Over the years and definitely towards the end DTW operated via several different cities
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Before the Brit, even, Detroit was served by BOAC DC-7Cs, through Prestwick and Montreal. At the time it was a real mainstream US manufacturing centre, not only for the automotive industry but many others as well.

Major US company I used to work for, European HQ near Heathrow, had their World headquarters in Detroit, so there was a lot of travel to/fro. When in 1980 standby tickets came out, to combat Laker (not that Laker served Detroit, but BA did all UK origins to all US destinations) the somewhat miserly European CEO, on assignment from Detroit himself, put out a memo that staff travel there should now be standby, "in my experience there are always seats available". This hacked many off, who then had to go over to Heathrow early, get the ticket, and then go back for the afternoon departure, through Washington. One day the manager of the Newcastle branch flew down to Heathrow, was walking out through Terminal 1,,and who should he see queueing at the ticket counter but the CEO's chauffeur. "Oh, hello Mr A, going to the office ? Wait a few minutes and I'll give you a lift back". "OK, thanks, what are you doing here ?". "Oh, Mr X is going to Detroit this afternoon, and I've come over for his standby ticket".

Alright for some ...

[Sotonsean]

Originally Posted by WHBM

Before the Brit, even, Detroit was served by BOAC DC-7Cs, through Prestwick and Montreal. At the time it was a real mainstream US manufacturing centre, not only for the automotive industry but many others as well.

Major US company I used to work for, European HQ near Heathrow, had their World headquarters in Detroit, so there was a lot of travel to/fro. When in 1980 standby tickets came out, to combat Laker (not that Laker served Detroit, but BA did all UK origins to all US destinations) the somewhat miserly European CEO, on assignment from Detroit himself, put out a memo that staff travel there should now be standby, "in my experience there are always seats available". This hacked many off, who then had to go over to Heathrow early, get the ticket, and then go back for the afternoon departure, through Washington. One day the manager of the Newcastle branch flew down to Heathrow, was walking out through Terminal 1,,and who should he see queueing at the ticket counter but the CEO's chauffeur. "Oh, hello Mr A, going to the office ? Wait a few minutes and I'll give you a lift back". "OK, thanks, what are you doing here ?". "Oh, Mr X is going to Detroit this afternoon, and I've come over for his standby ticket".

Alright for some ...

I had completely overlooked the BOAC DC7C, many thanks for reminding me.

Sure Detroit was the engine room of the USA for many decades and a real power house of a city. But we know how it quickly it declined and for so many reasons.

I saw a great documentary last week on YouTube about the great decline of Detroit. It's amazing that old factories such as the huge former Packard factory lay in ruins.

Regarding your story, if I remember correctly I think that I have read the same story before from one of your previous posts on another thread It might have been a nostalgia post but it was a while back. Interesting story though.

[davidjohnson6]

I'm aware the PCS union is planning to go on strike in the 2nd half of December. Is this likely to significantly affect inbound immigration and Border Force staffing levels ? Could we see inbound flights cancelled ? 6 hour queues in arrivals ?

I'm planning to fly from Dublin to Heathrow. Could someone say which of BA and EI will have an arrivals path at LHR which won't be reliant on showing a boarding pass to Border Force as rationale for no passport check ? I think it's just BA at T5, but am not 100% on this.

[840]

Originally Posted by Asturias56

"On a 737 will be interesting with that runway, there’s a reason why there are no 737 operators in FLR"

Indeed!! You'd think someone would ask "why has no-one tried this before?"

Meridiana used to operate a 737 on the AMS-FLR route

[PAXboy]

Saw this on the Twitter page of a travel vlogger, it was in the USA.

[Sotonsean]

Originally Posted by PAXboy

Saw this on the Twitter page of a travel vlogger, it was in the USA.

It's definitely an end to an era for British Airways at New York JFK with them moving out of their long standing home. Sad to see British Airways vacating Terminal 7 but it's glory days are well over. The new Terminal 6 planned for JFK will eventually be built on the the current site of Terminal 7.

New York JFK during the seventies was the only airport outside of the UK that would witness four types of four engined aircraft from British Airways at the gates of Terminal 7 at the same time. Boeing 707, Boeing 747, VC-10, Concorde.