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Old 27th Nov 2021, 12:20
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No mention of; Co2 from airport - 1% buildings, 48% access traffic, 51% aircraft.

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Old 27th Nov 2021, 13:05
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That was what I was thinking. Just jump on an airport bus to the car parks and you will sit there with a dirty diesel engine ticking over for 10 minutes. The airport even provides outside heaters for smokers.
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Old 28th Nov 2021, 10:40
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Ah, yes. I am often one fact short of an argument. Still, The Hunts Post is on the case now so that will learn them
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Old 28th Nov 2021, 18:29
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De-icing pads on Foxtrot in use tonight? is that first time?

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Old 28th Nov 2021, 21:46
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Seem to remember they were used for a time in the first winter Foxtrot opened but there wasn’t much frost that year.

(edit) found this from the company website that built Foxtrot


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Old 30th Nov 2021, 20:51
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The airport operators planning application to the airport owner will now not be approved until tomorrow due to the shear number of objections, which will all be ignored. Let's not forget that the airport owner is allowing the airport operator to keep 45m in payments. This cozy relationship appears too cozy as two is really one, as all of the surrounding councils would reject the application if the application was put to them.

A better option would have been to let the government decide as part of the DCO for 32m, as even if the application for 19m was rejected the DCO would override that decision.

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When is the airport expected to hit 19m?
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The bigger question is what will the airport operator do with their 45m gift from the Luton taxpayer plus the extension to their franchise agreement? It is reported that the two owners of LLAOL have a net value of 120 billion, so they are not short of a bob or two, while the airport owner gets bailed out by government.

This is something I would expect from a Conservative government and not a Labour Council. So what was the justification for this gift? No one will ever know, as the meetings were held in secret with no minutes published. We live in strange times!

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Old 2nd Dec 2021, 08:00
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We all know it will be passed and probably with a 7-2 vote if all the councillors turn up
Above was my prediction on November 19th what the vote would be regarding the planning application for expansion. And the vote was, wait for it...... 7-2. I don't know why anyone bothered to object. This was a joint application but in the name of the airport operator only. So why did they not go for a 3.5m increase, as that is the breaking point and planned increase for the existing terminal?

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Old 2nd Dec 2021, 16:37
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The departure lounge opens up from 21:30 for Christmas shoppers tonight. All that is needed to attend is a pre booked ticket and photo ID but none are now available. Shoppers will have go through security. All shops will be offering discounts.

There are 2 departures at 21:50 and another one at 21:55 which could be interesting.
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Old 2nd Dec 2021, 18:56
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Isn't this more about upscale with EZY using more 320s vs 319s & WZZ 321s vs 320s?
To achieve +3.5M would require greater runway and parking capacity and that demand terminal extensions.
More pax = more revenue
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I can't think of a worse place to go Xmas shopping than the sterile atmosphere of an airport. If I must go to the shops, I want a High St with lights and atmosphere
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Old 2nd Dec 2021, 20:16
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Some reporting of the application to raise the passenger numbers and subsequent approval, https://www.newcivilengineer.com/lat...ed-02-12-2021/
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One thing to note regarding the planning permission for 19m, which has been touched on by pebley, was the claim that the additional 1m passengers will only generate an extra 3 flights a day due to larger aircraft being used.

So the question becomes, if that is the case, why are there plans for new aprons and stands, that can be built without planning permission, not that requiring planning permission presents any problems at Luton.
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Well we see that every day, TUI dragging Dreamliners from the hangarline to the run up bay because engineering have finished but crew to take back to MAN, BHX, LGW are bringing in the next one.
Harrods having to dump planes on Foxtrot Taxiway to make room on their apron.
Signature doing a puzzle park game between NW corner stands & Pond.
All very green and inefficient!
Pre Covid on a busy summer weekend didn't a few like Netjets short term reposition aircraft to Cranfield, Oxford and even Cambridge to make room?

I bet if Luton had more stands Stansted wouldn't have so many short term residents.
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We also see wizz, easy and ryan air parked on the hangarline being moved daily to allow said movement of dreamliners, and easy's on the pond moved to let signature have stands 16-19 back, not to mention the constant shuffling of the easy's on foxtrot. Overnight the airport just doesn't have enough stands. I did see some chaps in hi-vis going around the area that used to be the drop off zone surveying, is this where some new stands are planned
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Old 3rd Dec 2021, 19:51
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Yes. The operator did impose a ban on capital projects but LRT has gifted the operator 45m for some secret reason. Money in the bank for expansion funded by the owner like the Dart? Supposed to be a pier as well.
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4 stands parallel to Echo and pier extension then 6 pack by run-up bay.
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Not Echo but Delta. Echo links up the Main Apron with Taxiway Delta via the North Apron
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Sorry, been a long day, between Delta 1 & Delta 2.
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