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Originally Posted by LBIA
Jet2 are temporary suspending operations to KRK from March 21st to May 27th from BHX, LBA, MAN & NCL bases, GLA suspended until September 2nd.
I do find it interesting, Krakow is a couple of hundred miles from Ukraine, its not in a conflict zone, maybe jet2 had a low load factor?
Brian - you might find this interesting
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-b2032033.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-b2032033.html
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Originally Posted by Brian Pern
Lets be honest, Krakow is well served by other airlines at a similar price, some several times per week, especially as the Irish lads are not expanding into Ukraine now, they have spare capacity.
I do find it interesting, Krakow is a couple of hundred miles from Ukraine, its not in a conflict zone, maybe jet2 had a low load factor?
I do find it interesting, Krakow is a couple of hundred miles from Ukraine, its not in a conflict zone, maybe jet2 had a low load factor?
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Originally Posted by ImagineIf
Yes the loads took a hit in recent weeks, many wanting to cancel/re-plan given the current climate in that part of the world - thus making flights non sustainable. Its a couple of hundred miles too close for most people wanting to go on a city break & Lviv on the border is expected to be targeted imminently. Poland has become a hub for refugee & aid coordination too so I can fully understand peoples reluctance to see it as a holiday destination at the moment. As Jet2's core business is the leisure traveler it makes sense to pull back off this route presently & as you point out, other carriers still have flights operating that will retain connectivity for those flying for work or visiting family in Poland or the UK.
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Originally Posted by Brian Pern
Its funny really I have just come back from a few days in Krakow, despite the news broadcasts showing the crisis, there were no real outward signs of anything going on. I had a chat to the pilots, briefly on landing, local crew (Buzz I think) they felt things hadn't really changed, although the UK flights were a bit quieter than other routes. People should not be put off visiting Poland, it reminds me of the Americans canceling plans after 7/7.
Other carriers such as Ryanair and Wizz may enjoy a greater proportion of their revenue coming from VFR passengers.
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I’d imagine it’s simply cancelled due to a natural lack of demand. Poland still requires a negative test to enter and city breaks are recovering slower than the bucket and spade market where Jet2 probably feel they could use the aircraft better.
Poland is always going to be a market for the cheapest operator and the majority of locals won’t have even heard of Jet2.
Poland is always going to be a market for the cheapest operator and the majority of locals won’t have even heard of Jet2.
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Vokes55 is right. Poland is still gripped by the full gamut of covid theatre, and has ranked amongst the strictest jurisdictions throughout. PCR tests, masks everywhere. 1.5m from any other person etc etc. Nobody sane tolerates that for fun. City breaks are dead until such rules are repealed. I'd already ruled out any leisure travel to Poland based on this alone, and pre-covid I was a regular visitor to Poland. The war in Ukraine - absolutely appalling - entered the equation later, but my decision to stay away for now was based on covid rules alone. I can't imagine why anyone would choose a Polish city for a short break whilst these rules remain in place, whilst many great alternatives in other countries are now effectively open for business.
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Originally Posted by jethro15
Confirmation required that one of them is EI-GYE (A6-FEH) currently at Shannon.
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Vokes55 is right. Poland is still gripped by the full gamut of covid theatre, and has ranked amongst the strictest jurisdictions throughout. PCR tests, masks everywhere. 1.5m from any other person etc etc. Nobody sane tolerates that for fun. City breaks are dead until such rules are repealed. I'd already ruled out any leisure travel to Poland based on this alone, and pre-covid I was a regular visitor to Poland. The war in Ukraine - absolutely appalling - entered the equation later, but my decision to stay away for now was based on covid rules alone. I can't imagine why anyone would choose a Polish city for a short break whilst these rules remain in place, whilst many great alternatives in other countries are now effectively open for business.
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Originally Posted by Daniel Taylor
What are Jet2’s largest bases in terms of capacity? I’m curious to know the speed of growth between Birmingham and Stansted seen as they launched at the same time?
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Originally Posted by Daniel Taylor
What are Jet2’s largest bases in terms of capacity? I’m curious to know the speed of growth between Birmingham and Stansted seen as they launched at the same time?
Originally Posted by Coarmlad
man - bhx - lba - stn - ncl - gla - ema - edi - brs - bfs
STN however does hold its own. May not serve many, if any at all, of the city break destinations but can easily fill 2 daily flights to Tenerife, Dalaman and Antalya whilst sustaining high frequency to other destinations. I think the original plan, before covid came along, was to have 4 STN-FNC flights a week peak summer for S20.
Having both STN and BHX and now BRS will give Jet2 more of a reason to start entering niche markets and venturing off the beaten track if you will - this was starting in S20 but has been postponed slightly. Zadar and Montenegro Tivat are two examples of this.
I think Egypt is coming onto the agenda very shortly and wouldn't be surprised to see it launched from STN MAN LBA BHX and BRS initially.
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Originally Posted by LBAflyer22
I think for me this is pretty much it. I would say that LBA/STN are pretty much neck/neck or maybe STN is larger. The stand out base for me at the moment would easily be BHX as this started at the same time as STN and has grown to probably be one of the largest bases Jet2 have - of course alongside STN/MAN and LBA. It offers most beach breaks at high frequencies whilst also offering majority city breaks which differs from STN.
STN however does hold its own. May not serve many, if any at all, of the city break destinations but can easily fill 2 daily flights to Tenerife, Dalaman and Antalya whilst sustaining high frequency to other destinations. I think the original plan, before covid came along, was to have 4 STN-FNC flights a week peak summer for S20.
Having both STN and BHX and now BRS will give Jet2 more of a reason to start entering niche markets and venturing off the beaten track if you will - this was starting in S20 but has been postponed slightly. Zadar and Montenegro Tivat are two examples of this.
I think Egypt is coming onto the agenda very shortly and wouldn't be surprised to see it launched from STN MAN LBA BHX and BRS initially.
STN however does hold its own. May not serve many, if any at all, of the city break destinations but can easily fill 2 daily flights to Tenerife, Dalaman and Antalya whilst sustaining high frequency to other destinations. I think the original plan, before covid came along, was to have 4 STN-FNC flights a week peak summer for S20.
Having both STN and BHX and now BRS will give Jet2 more of a reason to start entering niche markets and venturing off the beaten track if you will - this was starting in S20 but has been postponed slightly. Zadar and Montenegro Tivat are two examples of this.
I think Egypt is coming onto the agenda very shortly and wouldn't be surprised to see it launched from STN MAN LBA BHX and BRS initially.
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Originally Posted by Ivan aromer
Is Egypt not a level 2 variation? This would make rostering and S/bys very difficult. Unless of course crew slip down route!
Jet2 are very clever when it comes to launching standbys - could quite easily have the Egyptian flight come back and meet in Prague, old crew off, new crew on and continue. And one would think potentially a standby unit maybe placed in Greece possibly (RHO, HER, CHQ?). Covering Greece, Italy, Turkey Cyprus and Egypt should and if they wanted to.
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MAN is by some margin the biggest base. Then BHX probably has the edge over STN, which is probably slightly bigger than LBA by seat capacity since it has the A321's planned in again. LBA I think is still a mix of 738 and 733s, though correct me if I'm wrong.
Thereafter NCL is a good bit ahead now of the smaller bases having picked up the ex EZY/TCX demand. Before then EMA was slightly ahead, though with the growth of the BHX base has reduced down to just 6 aircraft, which puts it about level with GLA. Capacity permitting, I'm sure BRS will still have a lot to deliver and will eventually become more prominant in the network.
Thereafter NCL is a good bit ahead now of the smaller bases having picked up the ex EZY/TCX demand. Before then EMA was slightly ahead, though with the growth of the BHX base has reduced down to just 6 aircraft, which puts it about level with GLA. Capacity permitting, I'm sure BRS will still have a lot to deliver and will eventually become more prominant in the network.
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Originally Posted by FRatSTN
MAN is by some margin the biggest base. Then BHX probably has the edge over STN, which is probably slightly bigger than LBA by seat capacity since it has the A321's planned in again. LBA I think is still a mix of 738 and 733s, though correct me if I'm wrong.
Thereafter NCL is a good bit ahead now of the smaller bases having picked up the ex EZY/TCX demand. Before then EMA was slightly ahead, though with the growth of the BHX base has reduced down to just 6 aircraft, which puts it about level with GLA. Capacity permitting, I'm sure BRS will still have a lot to deliver and will eventually become more prominant in the network.
Thereafter NCL is a good bit ahead now of the smaller bases having picked up the ex EZY/TCX demand. Before then EMA was slightly ahead, though with the growth of the BHX base has reduced down to just 6 aircraft, which puts it about level with GLA. Capacity permitting, I'm sure BRS will still have a lot to deliver and will eventually become more prominant in the network.
I think you are right. There will be two levels of bases - large and small to moderate. Large will include MAN, STN, BHX, LBA and BRS. Small to Moderate will be BFS, GLA, EDI, NCL and EMA. Palma in it's own right was a big base when opened, and if you considered that on it's own, is larger then EMA and possibly even NCL.
Now if they were to ever go into LGW it would be interesting to see what would happen re: capacity at bases.
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This is a strange market and I do hope they don't jump in because some Hotels are now idle because the Russian & Ukraines are no longer coming so offering some smart deals, but then again plenty of ex TUI and Easy ex management work for Jet2 now so should understand local requirements.
If they get it wrong it's a big commitment of a days flying when you could have got 2x ALC in during the same flighttime.
TUI are always going to have the upper hand feeding pax from Germany, Belgium along with UK.
I'll throw something out there, how about a DUB base to test EU market?
If they get it wrong it's a big commitment of a days flying when you could have got 2x ALC in during the same flighttime.
TUI are always going to have the upper hand feeding pax from Germany, Belgium along with UK.
I'll throw something out there, how about a DUB base to test EU market?
