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Old 30th Dec 2021, 19:53
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Originally Posted by daz211 View Post
You are reading to much into it, the EU, I was using it as a geographical area not politically I should have said Europe.

what I’m saying is times are changing and lots of individual restrictions and alert levels all over your flying program is causing havoc, people are looking further a field for their holiday and with Ryanair flying people all over Europe for peanuts something will have to give or change.
yes virgin offer flights but I’m talking about a big move by a charter holiday airlines inti this market.
Without a cruise contract and deal with a major theme park (Both covered by VS and TUi) Florida would be a disaster for the likes Jet2 .
Travel to Toronto has declined as the gradual VFR traffic has diluted for twenty odd years.

Now as for travel to the EU, it remains price, accommodation and convenience driven right now - the last is about to change and few realise it !

2022 summer will be the last opportunity for FREE unfettered access for British passport holders because as a third country we will soon have to apply for and book in advance on the ETIAS programme something similar to the US ESTA and a charge will be made said to be in the region of £7 to £20 per person . They will be valid for up to 90 days with unlimited entry/exit during that time. however remember you can only stay for a maximum of 90 days in any one 180 day period . Forget the idea of a November to end of March vacation in Paphos !
You already need a minimum period of 6 months your passport before expiry.

Forget that overnight trip to Paris or the sudden Hen/Stag party a few days before without checking your guests ETAIS status !

As for longer haul either means fewer more spaced out holidays , or indeed remains the focus for more wealthy travellers period stop

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Old 30th Dec 2021, 19:59
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Goa, Holguin, Cayo Coco were once or twice weekly routes at best and often with a premium in fares to subsidise. They would not be the routes to go after (by anyone, let alone J2)
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Originally Posted by Rutan16 View Post
Now as for travel to the EU, it remains price, accommodation and convenience driven right now - the last is about to change and few realise it !

2022 summer will be the last opportunity for FREE unfettered access for British passport holders because as a third country we will soon have to apply for and book in advance on the ETIAS programme something similar to the US ESTA and a charge will be made said to be in the region of £7 to £20 per person . They will be valid for up to 90 days with unlimited entry/exit during that time. however remember you can only stay for a maximum of 90 days in any one 180 day period . Forget the idea of a November to end of March vacation in Paphos !
You already need a minimum of 6 months before expiry.
Thanks - must admit I hadn't heard of this. All you need to know on the link below!

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/etias/
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Old 30th Dec 2021, 20:04
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Originally Posted by Rutan16 View Post
Without a cruise contract and deal with a major theme park (Both covered by VS and TUi) Florida would be a disaster for the likes Jet2 .
Travel to Toronto has declined as the gradual VFR traffic has diluted for twenty odd years.

Now as for travel to the EU, it remains price, accommodation and convenience driven right now - the last is about to change and few realise it !

2022 summer will be the last opportunity for FREE unfettered access for British passport holders because as a third country we will soon have to apply for and book in advance on the ETIAS programme something similar to the US ESTA and a charge will be made said to be in the region of £7 to £20 per person . They will be valid for up to 90 days with unlimited entry/exit during that time. however remember you can only stay for a maximum of 90 days in any one 180 day period . Forget the idea of a November to end of March vacation in Paphos !
You already need a minimum of 6 months before expiry.

Forget that overnight trip to Paris or the sudden Hen/Stag party a few days before without checking your guests ETAIS status !

As for longer haul either mean fewer more spaced out holidays , or indeed remains the focus for more wealthy travellers period stop
Its really not going to cause that much trouble. The 90 day rule has already been in place a year now. And according to most reports it will be valid for two to three years similar to a US ESTA which hasn’t dampened demand to the states.

99% of people will be able to get one in 2 mins on a website just like they can for the US.

Edit: The link posted shows it will cost €7 and be valid for three years. Hardly going to kill demand.
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Old 30th Dec 2021, 20:27
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
Thanks - must admit I hadn't heard of this. All you need to know on the link below!

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/etias/
I searched your posts for the word "Brexit".
It yielded "About 99 results".
How can anyone post so many times using the word "Brexit" in a post and not know the above
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Old 30th Dec 2021, 20:33
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ETIAS is another (dubious) benefit of the debacle beginning with a 'B' and one that the overwhelming majority of the British will be oblivious to until it hits them in the wallet.

Not onerous, just another inconvenience.
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Originally Posted by lfc84 View Post
I searched your posts for the word "Brexit".
It yielded "About 99 results".
How can anyone post so many times using the word "Brexit" in a post and not know the above
And I thought I had too much time on my hands...

Haven't travelled to the EU for a number of years and unlikely to be going in the near future. Brexit has had a huge work impact though nothing to do with moving prople - thank you for asking
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
ETIAS is another (dubious) benefit of the debacle beginning with a 'B' and one that the overwhelming majority of the British will be oblivious to until it hits them in the wallet.

Not onerous, just another inconvenience.
It will be a major inconvenience without a public information campaign .

BA mini bus I wouldn't be so flippant, is saying it won't dampen demand . It will for last minute trips when people find out they have to go to web site register input details and receive a code and authority to travel beyond Dover !
As for the validity period I believe this has yet to settled within the Schengen member states that include two EEA states and Switzerland.

Funny this Europe thing isn't it .
Can be a member of Schengen and not be in the EU
Can be in the single market and not be in the EU
Can be in a customs union, and Schengen have a multitude of bilateral trade agreements and still not be in the EU !
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Could I very gently suggest moving discussion of ETIAS to a separate non-Jet2 thread ?
Once the UK Govt starts talking to the masses about the need for ETIAS to visit the EU, there will indeed be some raised eyebrows, and it will create a fair bit of media activity, along with related impact on flying and many many airlines. It's very much worthy of discussion on this website and I would like to take part in that debate... but the Jet2 thread is maybe not the optimal place for that discussion
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Originally Posted by Rutan16 View Post
Funny this Europe thing isn't it .
Can be a member of Schengen and not be in the EU
Can be in the single market and not be in the EU
Can be in a customs union, and Schengen have a multitude of bilateral trade agreements and still not be in the EU !
Are now, which is the UK, remind me
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Originally Posted by pabely View Post
Are now, which is the UK, remind me
Ha Ha as a Simpsons character might say .
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 View Post
Could I very gently suggest moving discussion of ETIAS to a separate non-Jet2 thread ?
Once the UK Govt starts talking to the masses about the need for ETIAS to visit the EU, there will indeed be some raised eyebrows, and it will create a fair bit of media activity, along with related impact on flying and many many airlines. It's very much worthy of discussion on this website and I would like to take part in that debate... but the Jet2 thread is maybe not the optimal place for that discussion
Agreed well worth an independent thread
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Old 30th Dec 2021, 23:08
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Originally Posted by BA318 View Post
If Jet2 can go in with a better offer then they can easily force weaker operators out.
And who exactly are the “weaker operators”?

Any thoughts of Jet2 doing long haul is pure cuckoo. Flying half empty aircraft across Europe is one thing, flying half empty aircraft across the Atlantic is another altogether. Suicide
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Old 31st Dec 2021, 06:20
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Originally Posted by Vokes55 View Post
And who exactly are the “weaker operators”?

Any thoughts of Jet2 doing long haul is pure cuckoo. Flying half empty aircraft across Europe is one thing, flying half empty aircraft across the Atlantic is another altogether. Suicide
Jet2 have beat TUI in Europe (ended up being bigger from the UK market) so they can do it long haul.

They have experience with some long haul with their New York Christmas flights. A few A330s which would allow long haul flights and extra Europe capacity when needed wouldn’t be too much of a stretch.

The argument that the market is already full would mean we’d never see any changes. The Europe market was booming when Jet2 entered with dozens of charter operators and low cost carriers yet they have still managed to grow well.
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Originally Posted by BA318 View Post
Jet2 have beat TUI in Europe (ended up being bigger from the UK market) so they can do it long haul.

They have experience with some long haul with their New York Christmas flights. A few A330s which would allow long haul flights and extra Europe capacity when needed wouldn’t be too much of a stretch.

The argument that the market is already full would mean we’d never see any changes. The Europe market was booming when Jet2 entered with dozens of charter operators and low cost carriers yet they have still managed to grow well.
Not a convincing argument. Much of Jet2’s recent growth has been due to the failure of other operators.
The current business model works well so why change it?

I am amused by those posters who constantly demand new routes and new aircraft without any knowledge of the economics involved. They then take great delight in criticising those very plans. Oh the delight of armchair CEOs.
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Old 31st Dec 2021, 10:32
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@daz411, you have generated much debate, suddenly Jet2 are flying to the US with A330s where the Executive Chairman states in the Interim Report only "to the Mediterranean, the Canary Islands and to European Leisure Cities." in is latest update in Nov 2021 which now even seems outdated!
Then they were talking about capacity increase for S22 vs S19, I wonder if this will still be true?
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Originally Posted by Vokes55 View Post
And who exactly are the “weaker operators”?

Any thoughts of Jet2 doing long haul is pure cuckoo. Flying half empty aircraft across Europe is one thing, flying half empty aircraft across the Atlantic is another altogether. Suicide
At this present moment I agree. It's absolute banana's to even think about flying anything other than what they know. If we have some proper world leadership rather soon which is "lets just crack on" and stop testing every man and his dog, Long Haul Travel and Short Haul will return in an abundance.
But pre-covid, the airline had a high load factor and operated with full flights, or 80+% load factor (even 90%+) on most flights on most routes throughout the whole year. Just look at their accounts to find out the LF%.

Whilst Long Haul, and subsequent operations for Holidays, are different, one thing Jet2 are not afraid of is meeting the challenge head on. Now there is no TC in the market, Jet2 have that part of the market to tap into. Offering a different product to TUI and been a competitor to them. After all Jet2 are not daft and would probably get, somehow, some cruise liners involved to make it viable also.

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I’m not suggesting stopping what they are good at and yes that would be madness but the following and loyalty Jet2 has would easily carry them smoothly into the long haul holiday market and run along side the European network.

Key would be to offer the routes from Most of their bases and not stick to Manchester.
Exactly this. I also agree - MAN, BHX, STN - will be the 3 main long haul bases. Offering it from EMA, NCL, GLA/EDI, BRS, would be also a good shout. If they would make it work in LBA, and LBA's infrastructure can handle long haul, then LBA would also be a good shout.
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Old 31st Dec 2021, 11:26
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Jet2 would have to be brave to go into cruise ships right now...
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Old 5th Jan 2022, 21:07
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Hello my friends have just booked to fly MAN-ACE, the seat plan is the B752, I know some of the window seats just before the wing don’t actually have a window, does anyone know what number seats these are.
many thanks in advance.
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None of the 75's have seats without windows.

Enjoy your flight - and the view!
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