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Old 17th Oct 2022, 06:34
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KLM timetable slightly changed again but still 2 x a day from 31st (except Sunday).

Night stop 1530/1539 returns with the second rotation being the afternoon 1537/8 (was previously the morning 1533/4).

FWIW, 3 a day still in the plan from January.
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Old 17th Oct 2022, 18:14
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Originally Posted by Beatts
brilliant achievement with 4 or so flights departing daily!
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Old 17th Oct 2022, 18:54
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No matter what anyone thinks..the PR generated from the airport, courtesy of the mayor is really second to none!

PM anyone?
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Old 17th Oct 2022, 21:44
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Amazed he's not showing his white teeth in the front row of the photo. PM, yes, he has skills like Boris.
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Old 18th Oct 2022, 19:15
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Maybe Teesside could become a seasonal airport opens April - October for the holiday flights.
surely that could save money during the winter months

not sure if any other airports are like this around the world ?
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Reus in Spain is a seasonal airport (serving Salou etc).

Can get 18 Charters in on a busy summer day but with no scheduled services means it’s dead in winter.

For all our doom, winter looks pretty consistent with pre-covid winters. Maybe one less Amsterdam but we have Belfast and Alicante.
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Old 18th Oct 2022, 22:13
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The staff wouldn't be too happy with that.
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Old 18th Oct 2022, 23:53
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Originally Posted by P330
For all our doom, winter looks pretty consistent with pre-covid winters. Maybe one less Amsterdam but we have Belfast and Alicante.
Hopefully with that Amsterdam on a morning means that route figures will start to get back towards good levels once again for the route. Fingers crossed that the issues over in Amsterdam are resolving and that not too long into the New Year will see the third service operate once again.

Weekly
Alicante (2)
Belfast (4)
Aberdeen (11)
Amsterdam (13)

Handful of Dublin flights over Christmas- New Year period along with the Santa & Northern Lights charter flights.

With the increase in flying schools activity and Draken increasing their workloads at least there will be plenty of airfield activity during the winter months.

Hopefully it won't be too long before next years route schedules comes out.
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Old 21st Oct 2022, 10:09
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The Teesside management have ventured to the infamous Routes conference.
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Old 21st Oct 2022, 14:10
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Harold 77…So that’s approx. 4 schedule departures per day for the winter.

How, Does that compare to recent years..doesn’t look to exhilarating!

Yes plenty of airfield activity..but revenue?
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Old 21st Oct 2022, 14:23
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The Teesside management have ventured to the infamous Routes conference.
Was the trip to Las Vegas a serious one, a sign of desperation, or just a very big corporate jolly ? I'm wondering how many airlines are credibly on MME's target list... I'd guess you can count them on your fingers and have some fingers left over

The Routes Europe conference in Lodz, Poland in May 2023 seems like a more appropriate venue
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How, Does that compare to recent years..doesn’t look to exhilarating!
About the same as 2018 - used to be more ABZ and AMS, but no ALC/BHD

From CAA stats - Total Air Transport Movements

July 2017 - 319;
July 2018 - 267;
July 2019 - 274;
July 2020 - 156;
July 2021 - 568;
July 2022 - 327

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Old 21st Oct 2022, 17:55
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I see Leeds Bradford has been diverting flights today and Teesside collected zero.
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Aberdeen flies fewer rotations but uses bigger planes so flies more passengers overall these days v 2018. The issues with KLM & Amsterdam are really hammering the number of movements compared to the pre-covid period)

July 2022 v 2018
Aberdeen: +590 passengers (-27 flights)
Amsterdam -5,810 (-60)
Bourgas -144 (+10)
Jersey: +49 (+2)

Not flown in 2018
Alicante: +3,161 (+18)
Belfast City: +780 (+40)
Corfu +1,663 (+10)
Dublin +414 (+20)
Faro +3,019 (+18)
Newquay: +304 (+10)
Palma: 4,390 (+26)
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Old 21st Oct 2022, 20:11
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Originally Posted by tigertanaka
Aberdeen flies fewer rotations but uses bigger planes so flies more passengers overall these days v 2018. The issues with KLM & Amsterdam are really hammering the number of movements compared to the pre-covid period)

July 2022 v 2018
Aberdeen: +590 passengers (-27 flights)
Amsterdam -5,810 (-60)
Bourgas -144 (+10)
Jersey: +49 (+2)

Not flown in 2018
Alicante: +3,161 (+18)
Belfast City: +780 (+40)
Corfu +1,663 (+10)
Dublin +414 (+20)
Faro +3,019 (+18)
Newquay: +304 (+10)
Palma: 4,390 (+26)
Apologies, my July stats have confused things as the original query was about flights over the winter.

I'm getting mixed up by the Mayor's fluff about punctuality stats.
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Old 22nd Oct 2022, 00:27
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Originally Posted by tigertanaka
Aberdeen flies fewer rotations but uses bigger planes so flies more passengers overall these days v 2018. The issues with KLM & Amsterdam are really hammering the number of movements compared to the pre-covid period)

July 2022 v 2018
Aberdeen: +590 passengers (-27 flights)
Amsterdam -5,810 (-60)
Eastern BAe Jetstream 41 (29 seater) 2018, 3 flights per day.
Loganair Embraer ERJ-145 (49 seater) 2022, 2 flights per day.

KLM Embraer ERJ-175 (88 seater) which is 8 seats more than the Fokkers they replaced in November 2017.
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Old 22nd Oct 2022, 01:34
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Originally Posted by N707ZS
The Teesside management have ventured to the infamous Routes conference.
A good contingent from UK Airports. You have got to get your name out there and where better than specialised confrences where all sectors of the industry are in one place. They say that lot of business happens at such events, including trade airshows. If they put a compelling case forward it could pay off big time. So whether it is 1 or 20 airlines/ routes it is all new business and brand awareness is out there.

Teesside International Airport
St. John's International Airport Authority
Regional & City Airports (RCA owns Bournemouth Airport, Coventry Airport, Exeter Airport and Norwich Airport, and operates Blackpool Airport, City of Derry Airport and Solent Airport Daedalus on behalf of their owners)
Newcastle International Airport
Mobility Watch
MAG Manchester Airport (Manchester, London Stansted, East Midlands)
London Southend Airport
London Luton Airport
London Gatwick Airport
Liverpool John Lennon Airport
Leeds Bradford® Airport
Heathrow Airport
Glasgow Airport
George Best Belfast City Airport
Edinburgh Airport
Cornwall Airport Newquay
Cardiff Airport
Bristol Airport
Birmingham Airport
Belfast International Airport
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Old 22nd Oct 2022, 07:05
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If only Harold. In the real world, viva Las Vegas paid for by the mayor. Can you produce evidence of previous success.
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Old 23rd Oct 2022, 01:02
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186 airlines attended.
370 airports attended.
76 tourism destinations attended.
74 suppliers attended.

That is a big market under one roof so to speak. .
The cost of attending could be offset many times over by increase in business that comes off the back of attending. You've got to network to build up business. You can't sit back and expect business to come to you, you have to go out and earn that business.
It has worked for many.
https://www.routesonline.com/events/

In the world of business. The future is here and now, as if you pass by this opportunity there will be no tomorrow.
You take every opportunity that you can get. You go out and meet people and build up a rapport and success and deals follow by building a good rapport.
That is how you build business.
You do not open a shop and not tell people your there. You go out and advertise that you are there. You go out to supplier events to help you get what you need.

It is the same thing with going to these confrences. You go out and put your name in the market.

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