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Isn't one of the omitted cogs in this discussiono that Ryanair will move around aircraft each season based on where it may be more profitable (or other reasons), a quick search throws up this from Winter 23
https://flightchic.com/2023/10/02/ry...livery-delays/
Isn't this about Ryanair looking at what aircraft it has for a season and where will generate the most profit?
It can be true that both MME will generate a profile on flights but MME isn't a priority as the opportunity cost is not utilising a route where more profit can be made.
https://flightchic.com/2023/10/02/ry...livery-delays/
Ryanair is implementing several reductions in its Winter 2023 schedule to adapt to this unexpected development.
The number of Charleroi-based aircraft is reduced by three.
Dublin will see a reduction of two.
Five aircraft will be reduced across four Italian bases, including Bergamo, Naples, and Pisa.
East Midlands, Porto, and Cologne will also experience aircraft reductions
The number of Charleroi-based aircraft is reduced by three.
Dublin will see a reduction of two.
Five aircraft will be reduced across four Italian bases, including Bergamo, Naples, and Pisa.
East Midlands, Porto, and Cologne will also experience aircraft reductions
It can be true that both MME will generate a profile on flights but MME isn't a priority as the opportunity cost is not utilising a route where more profit can be made.
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Fundermentally this is more than just a couple of flights that may arrive, it's about the mayor making an election bribe, disgraceful behaviour plus it's up to Ryanair not the mayor to offer new routes
I hope voters to see what this is.
I hope voters to see what this is.
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Or a politician making manifesto promises like every other politician. Bribes are illegal….election promises are not.
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policy pledges including the return of free town centre parking, a £2 fare cap on bus and train journeys, bringing bus services under public control, free travel to school or work for all under-18s, and investing in CCTV and other measures to “make our streets safe again”
Armchair experts praise the manifesto differentiating it from the bribes offered to voters by the Conservative candidate!
Honestly has silly season arrived already?
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It could be worse.....he could be offering free seats on these non existing flights....and the other candidate offers Big Brother to watch your every move and your very own money tree to pay for everything promised......... Politicians .......don't you just love them?
Our plan is ahead of schedule, we are seeing record passenger numbers,
Whilst my Labour opposition wanted to close the airport and sell it off for housing
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The houses were indeed on land too far removed from existing aviation infrastructure - and the Mayor deliberately claims otherwise, which to some extent is fair enough. And before anyone suggests it the increasingly mythical Willis development only overlaps on about 25% of this land (I suspect the Mayor chose to develop at a right angle to the existing apron purely to make a point, whereas extending to the west would be more logical).
I don't recall Peel actually going on record stating they would close the airport, they guaranteed five years sure, but never specified what would happen thereafter. Ignoring Covid there's no reason to believe it wouldn't have just rolled over, they wouldn't have installed a new radar among a host of other things otherwise.
I don't recall Peel actually going on record stating they would close the airport, they guaranteed five years sure, but never specified what would happen thereafter. Ignoring Covid there's no reason to believe it wouldn't have just rolled over, they wouldn't have installed a new radar among a host of other things otherwise.
If we go back far enough on this thread, there was a link to a speech where the Labour candidate said that money would be better spent elsewhere and not wasted on trying to save the airport. (which he was against).
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I think that even those who worship the mayor must have realised that he has a tendency for invention as many politicians do.
There are some on here who interrogate and sadly manipulate the passenger figures but I think in simple terms the current numbers (that may decline this year) are less than 25% of those anticipated in the business plan that are said to be needed for long term viability.
The well documented Peel plan to fund the development of the airport by constructing the south side business park and build 350 house was approved by the Labour run authority but was intended to develop the airport not close it. A few months ago the mayor even posted a video of a Labour Councillor that referenced the funding of the airport as an airport by building houses.
The mayor has been previously challenged about making up the closure story an his explanation was that Peels plan would not have worked so the airport would have therefore closed. Appart from Harrold receiving his secret contradictory briefings from senior Labour officials I dont think there is any evidence to support the closure claims other than the obvious that if losses continued it may have closed one day.
There are some on here who interrogate and sadly manipulate the passenger figures but I think in simple terms the current numbers (that may decline this year) are less than 25% of those anticipated in the business plan that are said to be needed for long term viability.
The well documented Peel plan to fund the development of the airport by constructing the south side business park and build 350 house was approved by the Labour run authority but was intended to develop the airport not close it. A few months ago the mayor even posted a video of a Labour Councillor that referenced the funding of the airport as an airport by building houses.
The mayor has been previously challenged about making up the closure story an his explanation was that Peels plan would not have worked so the airport would have therefore closed. Appart from Harrold receiving his secret contradictory briefings from senior Labour officials I dont think there is any evidence to support the closure claims other than the obvious that if losses continued it may have closed one day.
I think that was selective quoting and what he said was that spending would be reviewed. Happy to be proved wrong if somebody can find actual quotes?
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Best Passenger numbers since 2009. I wouldn't say records, but milestones.
2009 288,296
2023 226,326
What makes you think that passenger numbers will decline this year.
If you look at aircraft seating capacity for this year for public flights, it stands at 383,874 seats. Significant increase of capacity and extra services on the Amsterdam route, that accounts at 212,504 aircraft seating capacity for this year.
So facts don't point to a reduction in numbers this year, but actually an increase in numbers. So I am pretty certain we will surpass last years figure of 226,326 by some margin.
2009 288,296
2023 226,326
If you look at aircraft seating capacity for this year for public flights, it stands at 383,874 seats. Significant increase of capacity and extra services on the Amsterdam route, that accounts at 212,504 aircraft seating capacity for this year.
So facts don't point to a reduction in numbers this year, but actually an increase in numbers. So I am pretty certain we will surpass last years figure of 226,326 by some margin.
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Best Passenger numbers since 2009. I wouldn't say records, but milestones.
2009 288,296
2023 226,326
What makes you think that passenger numbers will decline this year.
If you look at aircraft seating capacity for this year for public flights, it stands at 383,874 seats. Significant increase of capacity and extra services on the Amsterdam route, that accounts at 212,504 aircraft seating capacity for this year.
So facts don't point to a reduction in numbers this year, but actually an increase in numbers. So I am pretty certain we will surpass last years figure of 226,326 by some margin.
2009 288,296
2023 226,326
What makes you think that passenger numbers will decline this year.
If you look at aircraft seating capacity for this year for public flights, it stands at 383,874 seats. Significant increase of capacity and extra services on the Amsterdam route, that accounts at 212,504 aircraft seating capacity for this year.
So facts don't point to a reduction in numbers this year, but actually an increase in numbers. So I am pretty certain we will surpass last years figure of 226,326 by some margin.
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But as you said earlier. Is it a case of saying record numbers in ownership.
Going off CAA yearly stats has 2006 down as 900,107 Terminal Passengers. But when add each Month up only comes to 899,892.
I had it written down as 911,925 for 2006.
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Harold reminds us that in 2023 there were only 226,326 passengers. Not sure anybody really cares if the numbers increase or decrease by a few percent in 2024 or how the figures compare with whatever date in the past that he chooses. Problem is that the Mayors business plan predicted and anticipated a 10 fold increase in passengers by 2023. I am sure that Harold will remind us about Covid and that Brexit has had a more detrimental affect on the regional economy than most expected. We should be comparing 226,326 with the promised 1,300,000 in 2023 as per the development plan that was the justification of the investment. This is only 17% so we certainly should not be selling such a number as an indication of success and going forward, may I suggest that the percentage of target is quoted to give a true measure of performance rather than comparison with some random date before the investment.
As a "red wall" Tory the last thing he'll blame is their pet project!
Problem for Teesside along with many other smaller airports is that domestic flying has reduced since Covid and the principal LoCos are gravitating towards the larger regional hubs.
How the Mayor expects to buck those two trends is difficult to fathom. The Welsh and Scottish governments have precisely the same issues to address at Cardiff and Prestwick.
Problem for Teesside along with many other smaller airports is that domestic flying has reduced since Covid and the principal LoCos are gravitating towards the larger regional hubs.
How the Mayor expects to buck those two trends is difficult to fathom. The Welsh and Scottish governments have precisely the same issues to address at Cardiff and Prestwick.