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Highwideandugly was hinting at the usual complaints from die-hard enthusiasts (who make up less than 5% of the crowd) regarding lacklustre air and static display programmes (as far as they're concerned). Without checking I expect your average member of the public were perfectly satisfied with what was on offer to the tune of 95% positive feedback.
Obviously there is no excuse for the traffic chaos and I doubt we'll see another air show
Obviously there is no excuse for the traffic chaos and I doubt we'll see another air show
There seems to be a hint of accuracy to HWAU's response. We motored up from Scarborough dep. 0910 and were in Yarm by 1100, queues through there and upwards to the Tesco store roundabout... about 15 mins delay. Then... a one car progression per two or three minutes and after an hour and a half we were still at least two miles from the airport. A '180' was executed and we tried to drive to the west side of the airfield and find a spot... chokka, sorry for the people in those villages. We then returned to base arriving in Scarborough SIX hours after departure. There seemed to absolutely no 'organisation' whatsoever... total chaos. For all those who pre-paid for entry tickets AND parking there should be some sort of recompense, also very sorry for all the children concerned. I'm not holding my breath. What has happened to this country? This sort of thing is commonly accepted these days and the so called 'organisers' get away scott free with the profits.
Let the word spread and the consequences fall where appropriate.
Harrumph...
Let the word spread and the consequences fall where appropriate.
Harrumph...
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The airport were referring all queries to the organisers Skylive earlier, the Mayor has apologised
Somewhat flippant response from one of the organisers...
Sunderland used to manage with a few more than 20k
I am so sorry to those people who experienced delays and were caught in the traffic on your visit to the airshow. As a result of the incredible demand and interest in our airport and the airshow, I know for many it meant hours of delays with some giving up completely and going home. I will be speaking to the organisers and the police who stopped and diverted traffic following an accident on the A66 and we’ll be conducting a full review and debrief as a matter of urgency. I will also be liaising with the organisers to do whatever I can to get refunds for those who suffered major delays or who were unable to attend as a result of the delays. I can only apologise again
Organiser Chris Petty of SkyLive is still to officially comment on today's chaos despite being contacted by Teesside Live. However he earlier spoke to the BBC.
He said:
We've heard there's been an accident on the A66 and that's something we can't put within our plan.
We put the message out there weeks before give yourself plenty of time to get here. It's a sellout event and there's obviously going to be lots of people travelling.
It's one of them things unfortunately. If we could change things and fly everybody in then we would.
He said:
We've heard there's been an accident on the A66 and that's something we can't put within our plan.
We put the message out there weeks before give yourself plenty of time to get here. It's a sellout event and there's obviously going to be lots of people travelling.
It's one of them things unfortunately. If we could change things and fly everybody in then we would.
Sorry..but truth is.
From Enthusiasts point of view..pathetic..nothing more, nothing less.
From the paying publics point of view..pathetic…nothing more, nothing less.
From your average Air Show point of view…well yes I won’t repeat.
Sadly the airports profile which had been on the gradual up will have taken a massive hit.
Is this an airport..or a continuing vanity project?
From Enthusiasts point of view..pathetic..nothing more, nothing less.
From the paying publics point of view..pathetic…nothing more, nothing less.
From your average Air Show point of view…well yes I won’t repeat.
Sadly the airports profile which had been on the gradual up will have taken a massive hit.
Is this an airport..or a continuing vanity project?
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Actually the truth is, it's not a spotter event, it's a general public event, and the general public dissatisfaction is quite rightly at the traffic arrangements and not the air show arrangements, which they are content with otherwise it wouldn't be a sell-out event. At the end of the day, I noted it would likely be a 95% positive feedback because the SAME event in the past HAS been - I wouldn't just make it up!
Again, traffic is to be condemned in the strongest possible terms, no-one is questioning that, but the comments on here and the Facebook page are nothing more than the keyboard warriors out in force who wanted the event to fail in the first place.
Again, traffic is to be condemned in the strongest possible terms, no-one is questioning that, but the comments on here and the Facebook page are nothing more than the keyboard warriors out in force who wanted the event to fail in the first place.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-61769579
Even making national BBC page (not just the regionals).
Even making national BBC page (not just the regionals).
CO... I hope you do not include me in this comment. I am positive to the extreme and have had 44 years very active experience in aviation. This was PR disaster, whomsoever is responsible. We, the public, attend and pay good money to support these events and expect service and support in response. This was totally lacking in all aspects.
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It was not pathetic - huge issues for some people getting in and out but for the many people who were there, it was a good day. The airshow was never billed as an 'enthusiasts' airshow, it is an event for the general public, it is not RIAT- and also the tickets were £11 - not the £50 - £60 for RIAT. I was there, everyone around me enjoyed the flying dispalys - you cant get better than The Reds and Typhoon as general dispaly items - there was quite a bit going on on the ground and the usual airshow fairground rides - it seems to me again that people who just want to moan and have a go, latch onto any little bit of bad publicity, probably political as usual too. It is a massive shame that the organisation around the traffic management failed and with the bad publicity, I hope I am wrong, but dont think the airport will want to be associated with such bad publicity and the airshow will probably not happen again - but for the people who made it in, it was not pathetic.
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You guys need to look at the local (and now national) media coverage, as well as what is being said on social media - and this is the general public, not spotters.
Not just the horrendous traffic problems, but expensive food, stalls only accepting cash as 3G crashed, dirty toilets etc. And then this evening problems getting out.
Yes, people will always moan but a major own goal. Hopefully the Reds and Typhoon saved the day for many.
Not just the horrendous traffic problems, but expensive food, stalls only accepting cash as 3G crashed, dirty toilets etc. And then this evening problems getting out.
Yes, people will always moan but a major own goal. Hopefully the Reds and Typhoon saved the day for many.
I wasn't at today's event so cannot comment on the arrangements, but the most recent airshow I attended was at Biggin Hill which had a large crowd and no traffic issues.
The traffic was moved via a feeder lane onto the airfield estate where a long winding route ensured that there was no tailback onto the main road. The cars were parked very efficiently by marshals onto several acres of land. Once parked up the visitors could collect their belongings and go through the entrance to the show where tickets were checked. I suspect the problems at today's event might have been due to tickets being checked on entry which would inevitably lead to congestion on the main road.
The traffic was moved via a feeder lane onto the airfield estate where a long winding route ensured that there was no tailback onto the main road. The cars were parked very efficiently by marshals onto several acres of land. Once parked up the visitors could collect their belongings and go through the entrance to the show where tickets were checked. I suspect the problems at today's event might have been due to tickets being checked on entry which would inevitably lead to congestion on the main road.
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I have read social media - I totally understand the frustration about the traffic issues and I would have been devestated if I had got caught up in it- but please also read the comments from other people - the toilets were not dirty, the food was priced as you would expect from these events - the 3G issue is unfortunate, but many many people had a really good day out - it took our party around 1.5 hours to get out of the car park at the end - not ideal but again not the end of the world - and once off the airport site - no traffic at all!
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SWBKCB people wouldn't have been quite so vocal about those other issues if not for the traffic, I find those other things are more or less the norm at any major event.
I’m not really sure what to say.
It was billed as an air show..that was a shambles
It was billed as a ground show…that was a shambles
It was billed as an enjoyable day out..5 years in the planning (ish)..that was a shambles
It was billed as a showpiece to get the airport up and running again …that was a shambles
It was billed as a great PR exercise for the region..that was a shambles
So ..please .. tell me what good has come out of this?
Ok..that’s all negative and me,personally,apologise.
It was billed as an air show..that was a shambles
It was billed as a ground show…that was a shambles
It was billed as an enjoyable day out..5 years in the planning (ish)..that was a shambles
It was billed as a showpiece to get the airport up and running again …that was a shambles
It was billed as a great PR exercise for the region..that was a shambles
So ..please .. tell me what good has come out of this?
Ok..that’s all negative and me,personally,apologise.
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Let me give my perspective...and I am one who didn’t make it in and had to turn around with a very disappointed family in tow.
1) I was happy to pay for the display advertised. It wasn’t the best, but it was good, local and with plenty of ground activities to keep us occupied.
2). I expect to pay a lot for food. That’s life at events and country shows in the UK. Do I like it? No. Do I moan about it? No, it’s normal.
3). I expected traffic; that’s why I set off early. Last week I spent an hour trying to get out of a car park at the Killers gig. (And I paid over the odds for drinks and didn’t moan).
The issue today has been the poor event management. Made worse by the poor response from the organiser and made worse still by the positive spin, hype and messages that preceded the event by the media savvy mayor.
Its an own goal; a big own goal and negative voices will always win out in the press and on social media.
The mayor, surprisingly, to his credit has apologised and said he will be do his best to get refunds and will investigate the cause. That’s not the norm for Houchen who generally sticks to smiles and mugshots.
For those who got in, hope you had a good time - I’m jealous.
For those that didn’t, I share your pain.
Lets not become doom sayers though. The organiser is not covering himself in glory at the moment and it’s likely we’ve seen the last attempt at this.
And the ones who suffer? All of us....
We shouldn’t take pleasure in that...
1) I was happy to pay for the display advertised. It wasn’t the best, but it was good, local and with plenty of ground activities to keep us occupied.
2). I expect to pay a lot for food. That’s life at events and country shows in the UK. Do I like it? No. Do I moan about it? No, it’s normal.
3). I expected traffic; that’s why I set off early. Last week I spent an hour trying to get out of a car park at the Killers gig. (And I paid over the odds for drinks and didn’t moan).
The issue today has been the poor event management. Made worse by the poor response from the organiser and made worse still by the positive spin, hype and messages that preceded the event by the media savvy mayor.
Its an own goal; a big own goal and negative voices will always win out in the press and on social media.
The mayor, surprisingly, to his credit has apologised and said he will be do his best to get refunds and will investigate the cause. That’s not the norm for Houchen who generally sticks to smiles and mugshots.
For those who got in, hope you had a good time - I’m jealous.
For those that didn’t, I share your pain.
Lets not become doom sayers though. The organiser is not covering himself in glory at the moment and it’s likely we’ve seen the last attempt at this.
And the ones who suffer? All of us....
We shouldn’t take pleasure in that...
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P330s post is a perfect summary. Highwide I don't need to respond to you further, you've said nothing new compared to your previous post that hasn't already been more than adequately discredited.