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I think the Aberdeen question has been proven many a time that if the service is there it has the potential to be a bigger route than it is.
The fact is loganair removed the based aircraft and that has meant only 1 rotation, which is easier to cancel at short notice because of crew location.
Before everyone jumps in and says it was because the numbers were down.... we don't know that and personally I believe it was for consolidation at NCL and they ve stayed on it to stop Eastern doing it multiple times a day, knowing that would have an impact on them shifting to a more NCL elcentric position.
By doing that they have shifted a number of passengers to NCL, possibly artificially inflating the NCL ABZ.
The fact is loganair removed the based aircraft and that has meant only 1 rotation, which is easier to cancel at short notice because of crew location.
Before everyone jumps in and says it was because the numbers were down.... we don't know that and personally I believe it was for consolidation at NCL and they ve stayed on it to stop Eastern doing it multiple times a day, knowing that would have an impact on them shifting to a more NCL elcentric position.
By doing that they have shifted a number of passengers to NCL, possibly artificially inflating the NCL ABZ.
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NWI once apon a time, had Eastern 3x daily and BMI 2 x daily for many years. Post Covid it's now 2x daily with Loganair. Although there will of course be demand for a number of years to come it certainly isn't what it used to be for all these oil and gas flights, Teesside, Humber and Norwich just prove that
If you look at Loganair, KLM and Ryanair at MME, it's clear that nobody is making a fortune. They are doing just enough to serve the limited demand and make a few quid.
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I mean in regards to Ryanair its clear they have a strategy to effectively run a few Sun flights from some of the smaller UK airports, Teesside, Exeter, Cardiff, Norwich. (Of course for all these airports if Ryanair come a knocking you will no doubt offer them very favourable terms to operate.) Nothing more nothing less. So the expectation for Ryanair to do much more than they have now is unrealistic. I'm sure that they may add Malaga within a Year or so but that may well be it.
Ben..mentioned taking on Fed Ex staff on Facebook..so that looks a goer….as I said earlier the sweeteners continue to appear, Newcastle can’t or won’t compete so … not sure what revenue will be created but the cargo figures will look good! 9000 jobs at Teesworks anyone 4 Private Nuclear Power Stations anyone!
There are so many announcements..it’s really hard to keep a count!
There are so many announcements..it’s really hard to keep a count!
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"Ben..mentioned taking on Fed Ex staff on Facebook"
Did he actually say they were taking on new staff? He doesnt normally acknowledge the existence of FedEx as they were a Peel acquisition (as TNT). He also mentioned Serco who he wanted to evict of course. Curious that he no longer mentions the south side?
Did he actually say they were taking on new staff? He doesnt normally acknowledge the existence of FedEx as they were a Peel acquisition (as TNT). He also mentioned Serco who he wanted to evict of course. Curious that he no longer mentions the south side?
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Looking at fares on flights this week - Aberdeen's cheapest fare one way is £208, Alicante's chepaest one way fare this week is £163.39, and KLM's cheapest is £165 one way next Saturday - not sure even this tells us much, but clearly not bargain basement fares neither.
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Any updates on:
Malaga (or other routes)
Could be due to delays to aircraft deliveries, as it is still causing timetable headaches not knowing exactly how many aircraft they will have delivered and commissioned in time for the summer season.
Eastern wet leases running MME-AMS over the summer
In January I done some calculations. Aircraft seat capacity for the Amsterdam route.
KLM operation 82,104
Eastern lease 130,400
2024 Total 212,504
This is based on E175 88 seats and E190 100 seats on KLM booking system, even though Eastern's have more than 100 seats. So this I think is highest ever capacity on the route.
Completion date for the new hangar and painting operation
Airbourne Colours say 1st September for opening.
15th February marks the 5th anniversary of the purchase of the airport from Peel. Sometimes anniversary dates in the business world usually heralds announcements of some kind to help boost celebrations.
Malaga (or other routes)
Could be due to delays to aircraft deliveries, as it is still causing timetable headaches not knowing exactly how many aircraft they will have delivered and commissioned in time for the summer season.
Eastern wet leases running MME-AMS over the summer
In January I done some calculations. Aircraft seat capacity for the Amsterdam route.
KLM operation 82,104
Eastern lease 130,400
2024 Total 212,504
This is based on E175 88 seats and E190 100 seats on KLM booking system, even though Eastern's have more than 100 seats. So this I think is highest ever capacity on the route.
Completion date for the new hangar and painting operation
Airbourne Colours say 1st September for opening.
15th February marks the 5th anniversary of the purchase of the airport from Peel. Sometimes anniversary dates in the business world usually heralds announcements of some kind to help boost celebrations.
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"Ben..mentioned taking on Fed Ex staff on Facebook"
Did he actually say they were taking on new staff? He doesnt normally acknowledge the existence of FedEx as they were a Peel acquisition (as TNT). He also mentioned Serco who he wanted to evict of course. Curious that he no longer mentions the south side?
Did he actually say they were taking on new staff? He doesnt normally acknowledge the existence of FedEx as they were a Peel acquisition (as TNT). He also mentioned Serco who he wanted to evict of course. Curious that he no longer mentions the south side?
could you let us know how you know this?
Looking at fares on flights this week - Aberdeen's cheapest fare one way is £208, Alicante's chepaest one way fare this week is £163.39, and KLM's cheapest is £165 one way next Saturday - not sure even this tells us much, but clearly not bargain basement fares neither.
Looking at fares on flights this week - Aberdeen's cheapest fare one way is £208, Alicante's chepaest one way fare this week is £163.39, and KLM's cheapest is £165 one way next Saturday - not sure even this tells us much, but clearly not bargain basement fares neither.
Could be due to delays to aircraft deliveries, as it is still causing timetable headaches not knowing exactly how many aircraft they will have delivered and commissioned in time for the summer season.
Similarly, how often do you hear flight cancellations from KLM due to staff/aircraft shortages? To me the fact that they feel that they can hand over the whole operation to Eastern speaks volumes - I believe that KLM know they have a hard core of committed customers that they can rely on to keep the route viable, but don't see it as a growth opportunity.
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Just look at the way the airlines are behaving, and you can see where Teesside sits in their pecking order - which is directly influenced by how much money they are making. For example:
Similar comments are made repeatedly on this (and similar) threads, but Ryanair's route planning and aircraft allocation hasn't come to a standstill because of delivery uncertainty - if they thought there was good money to be made they would find the aircraft. Ryanair are acting like they have a contract to provide a minimum of X number of flights, and are showing no signs of increasing that number which such suggests the existing flights aren't big earners.
Similarly, how often do you hear flight cancellations from KLM due to staff/aircraft shortages? To me the fact that they feel that they can hand over the whole operation to Eastern speaks volumes - I believe that KLM know they have a hard core of committed customers that they can rely on to keep the route viable, but don't see it as a growth opportunity.
Similar comments are made repeatedly on this (and similar) threads, but Ryanair's route planning and aircraft allocation hasn't come to a standstill because of delivery uncertainty - if they thought there was good money to be made they would find the aircraft. Ryanair are acting like they have a contract to provide a minimum of X number of flights, and are showing no signs of increasing that number which such suggests the existing flights aren't big earners.
Similarly, how often do you hear flight cancellations from KLM due to staff/aircraft shortages? To me the fact that they feel that they can hand over the whole operation to Eastern speaks volumes - I believe that KLM know they have a hard core of committed customers that they can rely on to keep the route viable, but don't see it as a growth opportunity.
So I shall put it like this, as you clearly didn't read my post above. But perhaps Ryanair feel that the sun routes they have are what will work a Teesside, just because an airline doesnt add route after route, or base aircraft etc means they are dissatisfied with what they already have.
I did read your post - I was commenting on the repeated statements that expansion is being stymied by lack of a/c etc. I didn't say they are dissatisfied but that MME isn't a priority. I still believe that if Ryanair were getting great returns at Teesside, there would be more flying.
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I did read your post - I was commenting on the repeated statements that expansion is being stymied by lack of a/c etc. I didn't say they are dissatisfied but that MME isn't a priority. I still believe that if Ryanair were getting great returns at Teesside, there would be more flying.
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How much public money has the Mayor invested into the airport, and how much of it has gone to his favourite friends? Land or money, or both?
Does anyone know or is that another secret?
Does anyone know or is that another secret?
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