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Old 14th Feb 2024, 22:32
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Originally Posted by Grumpy1
By the way, the close the airport and build houses on the runway was all made up. Dont fall for the BS.
Keep thinking that. It wasn't made up at all.

It was confirmed to me by a senior Council Director way back in 2013 of what the Labour Councils ultimate plans for the site were.
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Old 14th Feb 2024, 22:57
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Harold you either missed or need to re-read the PM I sent you some months ago

You need to provide better evidence than that
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Old 14th Feb 2024, 23:13
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What as if I'm going to go around recording every conversation I have with every person I talk to.

You tell me to provide evidence than that.

So where is Grump's evidence to say that it was all made up. He says I've fallen for Houchen's rubbish. When did Houchen come on scene oh yes 2016 for the 2017 election. How can I fall for something that pre dates the Houchen era.

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The point is, it's conjecture
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Old 15th Feb 2024, 07:31
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So when the Council's publicly agreed Peels ambitious development plan the Labour leader was at the same time giving contradictory secret briefings to Harold?
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Old 15th Feb 2024, 08:00
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Anyway..on to figures..what do the panel think?

My thoughts are a disappointing end to the year .

KLM the flagship having load factors of only 50%
Aberdeen. Even worse.
Movements..oh dear?

Am I missing something or has it all plateaued?

I’m sure the negativity regarding The mayor and others isn’t helping.
Coupled with the lack of any real options from the airport.

Question is where next?
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Old 15th Feb 2024, 08:12
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If the current mayor loses the next election, which many are predicting, will the next mayor bring in a forensic accountant to look into what the mayors friends received?

The same special friends are involved in the airport deals, so expect some fallout.

The interview by Victoria Derbyshire had the mayor looking very uncomfortable!

New press coverage.

https://northeastbylines.co.uk/houch...idence-to-mps/

Feb press.
https://northeastbylines.co.uk/the-n...-for-50-years/
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Originally Posted by Beafer
If the current mayor loses the next election, which many are predicting, will the next mayor bring in a forensic accountant to look into what the mayors friends received?

The same special friends are involved in the airport deals, so expect some fallout.

The interview by Victoria Derbyshire had the mayor looking very uncomfortable!

New press coverage.

https://northeastbylines.co.uk/houch...idence-to-mps/
Have you watched the full interview, or just the edited clips? And it's not a new article, almost a month old and before the report was issued.

My thoughts are a disappointing end to the year .

KLM the flagship having load factors of only 50%
Aberdeen. Even worse.
Movements..oh dear?
As I've mentioned before, movements are irrelevant - the majority will be Draken or GA training a/c who will I expect be on annual deals rather than paying per flight - and the weather for GA was awful in December.

And Alicante - worst monthly load factor since they restarted?

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Old 15th Feb 2024, 10:02
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I think a plateau is a reasonable conclusion on passenger numbers for a short while.

Disposable incomes, the cost of living, less business travel all combine with the lack of new routes to suggest, we’ll probably remain as we were for a bit. Tough macro times out there, but thankfully we’re not just about passenger operations and have other income to help.
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Plateau or even slight decline is certainly correct. Let's not forget that Borris's new Brexit Visa requirements with a fee, finger print checks and facial scans comes in soon so a reduction in European travel from all airports is anticipated but it will impact on the likes of MME more than some as we have a higher proportion of occasional travellers who wont bother anymore.

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Old 15th Feb 2024, 11:55
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Have you watched the full interview, or just the edited clips? And it's not a new article, almost a month old and before the report was issued.



As I've mentioned before, movements are irrelevant - the majority will be Draken or GA training a/c who will I expect be on annual deals rather than paying per flight - and the weather for GA was awful in December.

And Alicante - worst monthly load factor since they restarted?
I think having Alicante 3x weekly in winter and then 2x daily in Summer is a bit odd, especially when demand is at its weakest
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Originally Posted by Grumpy1
Plateau or even slight decline is certainly correct. Let's not forget that Borris's new Brexit Visa requirements with a fee, finger print checks and facial scans comes in soon so a reduction in European travel from all airports is anticipated but it will impact on the likes of MME more than some as we have a higher proportion of occasional travellers who wont bother anymore.
Of course I don't know the answer to this and I'm just speculating, but I don't think the visa rule will have any impact. Getting a visa will be a short on-line process that costs coppers and will be resolved in minutes. Certainly if you plan to travel, I cannot imagine the visa scheme will be anything other than an inconvenience. It won't make people think "I was going to travel, but because of this I won't". If I'm wrong, I suspect any effect will be immaterial.
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Travel agents expecting resistance from some, especialy those who are resentful of the new restrictions and have been used to simple transit through borders, (or have debts or historic convictions and cant obtain permission to travel!) Was similar when the US introduced ESTA's. Will be easier to go to none European countries but you cant do that from MME. Our flights are marginal so just a slight drop in numbers may have an impact.
Now lost count of how many times the introduction of Visa's has been postponed but it now sounds they will be introduced soon.
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Old 15th Feb 2024, 14:01
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Originally Posted by Beafer
If the current mayor loses the next election, which many are predicting, will the next mayor bring in a forensic accountant to look into what the mayors friends received?

The same special friends are involved in the airport deals, so expect some fallout.

The interview by Victoria Derbyshire had the mayor looking very uncomfortable!

New press coverage.

https://northeastbylines.co.uk/houch...idence-to-mps/

Feb press.
https://northeastbylines.co.uk/the-n...-for-50-years/
He will probably win as only his current supports like Harold can be bothered to go and vote. Take a look at his previous victories and how many did turn out.
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Don’t know if any guys on here follow Facebook and the airport thread ? Some very interesting news and questions on the Charitable foundation set up by the mayor …going to get interesting!

At the end of the day I think most just really want honesty and transparency ?
How this affects the airport ..time will tell…
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Old 15th Feb 2024, 22:19
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Come on then highwide, spill the beans.
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Old 15th Feb 2024, 22:54
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Come on then highwide, spill the beans.
https://www.teesvalleymonitor.com/te...S3o6misNKziY3k
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The TUI and Ryanair tie up news is really quite interesting with lots of questions still to answer.

How would this affect the smaller airports like MME? Presumably, this means TUI can send people this summer to Corfu, Alicante and Faro boosting NE holiday options and increasing the loads. But does it mean the days of expensive ‘W’ rotations to smaller airports come to an end over time?
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I recall that when Stobart/Eskin ran away and the charity was set up it was said at the time that this was a device to avoid scrutiny. That fact that the airport is not completely owned by bodies that are subject to the freedom of information act enquires has be quoted by journalists as the reason why their enquiries have been resisted.
I have never understood the need or the advantage to hide from scrutiny.
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Originally Posted by P330
The TUI and Ryanair tie up news is really quite interesting with lots of questions still to answer.

How would this affect the smaller airports like MME? Presumably, this means TUI can send people this summer to Corfu, Alicante and Faro boosting NE holiday options and increasing the loads. But does it mean the days of expensive ‘W’ rotations to smaller airports come to an end over time?
It is a win win situation all round.

There are a lot of people who just like package holiday deals.

Ryanair gain more passengers and TUI sell more accommodation and tour packages. So anywhere TUI has accommodation and tour deals and Ryanair flies there then it is huge wins for each company. Not just for the summer season, but all year round. It is as simple as that.

Every airport that is served by Ryanair will see a boost as more passengers travel with Ryanair.

Also it gives more travel options especially with length of stays with more flights being available especially when both are operating from same airport.

So for the likes of Teesside it can help boost numbers on Ryanair flights and for likes of Palma then the length of stay combinations become much more numerous, so is likely to boost across both operators.

It certainly is going to be interesting how this deal pans out. But both companies are certainly going to be increasing their business substantially.
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