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Old 28th Apr 2023, 17:56
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If the price is right the catchment area could be huge. If people think they can save a few pounds they don't seem to mind driving hours to or from Scotland or across to Manchester.
But it’s not because they have such a presence at Leeds and Newcastle they would inevitably just end up competing with themselves, and they haven’t arrived in the position they have done by taking such risks. Also, Jet2 are not a low cost operator these days, they are a Tour Operator with their own airline. So the argument that people will travel many miles to save a few quid is hardly sustainable is it, as it would suggest that people from Newcastle and Leeds would stop flying with Jet2 from NCL and LBA if Jet2 offer cheaper fares from MME.

In the future anything is possible, but given their growth strategy over the last 10 years I don’t see any signs right now that they intend on changing tack.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 18:08
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So the argument that people will travel many miles to save a few quid is hardly sustainable is it, as it would suggest that people from Newcastle and Leeds would stop flying with Jet2 from NCL and LBA if Jet2 offer cheaper fares from MME.
Am I reading this right? Of course they would. There are already people traveling to Scotland and vice versa to avoid the peak fares in the respective school holiday peaks. Not sure why Jet2 would do it though.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 18:17
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Am I reading this right? Of course they would. There are already people traveling to Scotland and vice versa to avoid the peak fares in the respective school holiday peaks. Not sure why Jet2 would do it though.
Well if they are doing that, how does it make it a lucrative proposition? Think you have completely missed the point.

Jet2 being profitable from LBA and NCL due high yields, suddenly Jet2 decide to also open a base at MME which invariable costs a lot of money and starts undercutting their high yield flights from LBA and NCL by offering cheaper fares from MME - which they apparently need to do to attract people from Scotland or something, presumably because the core catchment area is actually very small in the bigger scheme of things so they can’t rely on the good people of Middlesborough or Darlington to fill the seats.

I do hope if you run a business, you don’t run it like that.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 18:32
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Sorry we are at cross purposes - if Jet2 offered cheaper fares from MME than LBA/NCL, yes they would draw passengers from LBA and NCL, but I agree with you that Jet2 would be daft to do it. There is a small market that will always chose MME if flights are available because of its location and ease of use, but I can't see that being large enough to sustain a base and would be a significant change from their current approach.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 18:49
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Lots of sensible comments..who knows…does Teesside have the infrastructure to have a based 1/2 aircraft,parking already at a premium due stored and maintenance aircraft.

Is more apron space required?

And as an aside..could the Spa handle more passengers😀 !
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Sorry we are at cross purposes - if Jet2 offered cheaper fares from MME than LBA/NCL, yes they would draw passengers from LBA and NCL, but I agree with you that Jet2 would be daft to do it. There is a small market that will always chose MME if flights are available because of its location and ease of use, but I can't see that being large enough to sustain a base and would be a significant change from their current approach.
I agree, there is a level of demand at all airports in the U.K. the problem is that in most cases it is not scaleable enough to be able to support a 3-4 based aircraft setup, which is typically what the Jet2s and easyJet’s seem to use as a benchmark of viability these days. As with all things this could change, but we can only go off the trends and not the could dos and so in that sense MME is a non-starter. W-patterns do not fit well into their operation either so that is currently unlikely.
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Old 29th Apr 2023, 07:50
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I seem to remember a few years ago that there was a discussion about the size of the MME catchment area, maybe bigger now. So what has happened to all the people that used to fly from MME, would they come back if the destinations were resumed? For me it was a joy to walk through the front door and a short walk to the aircraft, now with the better security equipment which is a lot more better experience for passengers.
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Old 29th Apr 2023, 09:45
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Well if they are doing that, how does it make it a lucrative proposition? Think you have completely missed the point.

Jet2 being profitable from LBA and NCL due high yields, suddenly Jet2 decide to also open a base at MME which invariable costs a lot of money and starts undercutting their high yield flights from LBA and NCL by offering cheaper fares from MME - which they apparently need to do to attract people from Scotland or something, presumably because the core catchment area is actually very small in the bigger scheme of things so they can’t rely on the good people of Middlesborough or Darlington to fill the seats.

I do hope if you run a business, you don’t run it like that.
I think you are right on impacting their LBA/NCL flights if they serve MME. I suspect though the maths are more complicated.

A lot of MME potential people will also be travelling North to fly Ryanair or TUI. If Jet2 want to capture these, do they stand a better chance basing aircraft here or adding capacity at NCL?

I’m sure the finance folks know all the answers….

Serving smaller bases would be a deviation though from the current model. Unless they plan to serve those sites from new overseas bases or begin w routes.
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Old 29th Apr 2023, 10:01
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I think you are right on impacting their LBA/NCL flights if they serve MME. I suspect though the maths are more complicated.

A lot of MME potential people will also be travelling North to fly Ryanair or TUI. If Jet2 want to capture these, do they stand a better chance basing aircraft here or adding capacity at NCL?

I’m sure the finance folks know all the answers….

Serving smaller bases would be a deviation though from the current model. Unless they plan to serve those sites from new overseas bases or begin w routes.
Dont know, we can only go off what is in the public domain and the trends of growth seen in recent years. Cost a lot to set up a base, you have to question whether it would have any strategic benefit significant enough to justify the investment. My guess is it wouldn’t, otherwise they probably would have done so back when they were a Northern airline.
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Old 29th Apr 2023, 10:31
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Teesside no longer has buildings to provide based catering and support for such a venture. These would all have to be built along with parking areas.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-65264092
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BP asking for guarantees from the mayor.

The Mayor is now being asked for guarantees from large companies regarding contracts.

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/t...stors-26836243

Part of the Press quote:The Tees Valley Mayor said investors are “unduly concerned” after BP and Equinor reportedly demanded the freeport guarantee it was not involved in corruption.

On Wednesday, The Telegraph reported that BP and Equinor are understood to have asked for clauses to be added into commercial contracts with Teesworks.

It is understood this could mean damages could be paid out if the position set out in the warranty was not true. Net Zero Teesside Power, which is aiming to be the UK’s first fully integrated commercial-scale gas-fired power station with carbon capture, is currently in the running for government funding. It is a joint venture between BP and Equinor and will be based at the freeport.

It is thought that Teesworks have confirmed that the site’s assets have not been acquired due to an “unacceptable act”. It is also understood the warranties state: “Nor have they hidden or dissimulated, and will not hide or dissimulate the nature origin, location, disposition, or ownership of assets, rights or values.”


The Labour MP has called for a full investigation into the “industrial-scale corruption", he alleges is occurring at the freeport. Originally, the South Tees Development Corporation held 50% of the shares in Teesworks Limited and private developers, JC Musgrave Capital and Northern Land Management Ltd held the other 50%.

However, an agreement was reached in 2021 which means JC Musgrave Capital, Northern Land Management Ltd, and DCS Industrial Limited now hold 90%. Teesside businessman Chris Musgrave OBE is the director of JC Musgrave, while DCS Industrial Limited has Mr Musgrave and Martin Corney at the helm.
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Old 4th May 2023, 20:05
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Muddy waters..and I don’t just mean the Tees Freeport dredging scheme!

See one of the Jet 2 overhaul aircraft is ‘pinging’ on Flight Radar..possibly getting ready for delivery?
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Old 5th May 2023, 05:50
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Again nothing to do with the airport.
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Old 5th May 2023, 06:03
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Again nothing to do with the airport.
Apart from Musgrave and Corney's previously documented involvement with the Southside.
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Old 5th May 2023, 08:51
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I ventured to the Southside this morning passed the rows of digger drivers with their feet up reading papers and the occasional activity moving a pile of dirt from A to B and back again. They have laid the first layer of tarmac and then laid mud into that, the top coast is really going to stick. I wonder which Christmas it will be finished by.
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It must be of concern to the airport that the mayor appears to have now gained such a reputation that commentators and the press now appear comfortable in using words like corruption.
In the last couple of weeks he claimed that the airport would close if Labour did well in the elections but this appears to have had no basis in fact. He is engaged in litigation with Teesport so are we are entitled to ask if the mayors continued involvement in the airport project is now causing damage?
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Old 7th May 2023, 14:16
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I notice there is an A330 due in from Sweden tomorrow, any idea why? Wouldn't think Willis did maintenance on widebodies at MME?
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Old 7th May 2023, 14:20
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I notice there is an A330 due in from Sweden tomorrow, any idea why? Wouldn't think Willis did maintenance on widebodies at MME?
Military charter - another thing that's been happening on and off for years.
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First of two this week
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