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The airline division however was not insolvent as a stand alone business.
Only the UK airline division fell fowl of English bankruptcy rules and a government thats total uninterested in supporting industry (any !).
German and Scandinavian divisions survived whilst the tiny Spanish operation got reabsorbed into Condor.
Had it not been because of Brexit the UK arm of the airline could very well survived as a division of Condor however post “B” ownership rules made such a prospect far more difficult - A UK based majority shareholder and partner would have be required and demanded by the administrators at a no doubt premium price !
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While I’m having a moan at Manchester, is there a reason that the very common soft “holdall” type bags have to be taken round to a special desk to be put into the baggage system after checkin ? This only seems to happen at Manchester, and possibly only in T1?
It’s not a huge issue, but a bit of a pain. I was recently traveling business class with my family with EK, it was a little odd - we were whisked to the terminal by a limo, whisked to the checkin line by a helpful driver, whisked through the checkin process - all very efficient. However, we were then told to put all the bags back onto the trolleys, trundle them round to the 'special' bag checkin and stand in line for a good 15 minutes for the bags to be matched with id's and boarding cards, rescanned and entered into the baggage system.
It’s not a huge issue, but a bit of a pain. I was recently traveling business class with my family with EK, it was a little odd - we were whisked to the terminal by a limo, whisked to the checkin line by a helpful driver, whisked through the checkin process - all very efficient. However, we were then told to put all the bags back onto the trolleys, trundle them round to the 'special' bag checkin and stand in line for a good 15 minutes for the bags to be matched with id's and boarding cards, rescanned and entered into the baggage system.
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The first destination will be JFK. Norse have started all of their bases from the initial JFK service. I expect to see BKK from them in Summer 2024, lest not forget Thai also want to start MAN-BKK
I do hope that Norse invest in some long range narrow bodies, this would allow for the launch of some of Norwegian’s destinations they served from Edinburgh in 2017 ish.
Providence, Hartford, potentially HPN, and Manchester-New Hampshire for good measure !
I do hope that Norse invest in some long range narrow bodies, this would allow for the launch of some of Norwegian’s destinations they served from Edinburgh in 2017 ish.
Providence, Hartford, potentially HPN, and Manchester-New Hampshire for good measure !
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Bangkok is not a summer vacation destination even from Scandinavia to be honest . Much more a December through April peak
When Thai land on the concrete and at least serval times in succession I’ll change my mind on them . Twenty years at least they been just round the corner “next season” sort of thing !
When Thai land on the concrete and at least serval times in succession I’ll change my mind on them . Twenty years at least they been just round the corner “next season” sort of thing !
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Wrong months I'm afraid. It is May and June that suffer greatly although correct about the Dubai weather in July & August. I was barely able to move out of the hotel pool in the day with temperatures 45c every day when I was there in July 2018 
. I did know before I went it was going to be hot.
Alas the English school holidays seem to fuel the service in July and August irrespective of weather down route
Source CAA - 2019 latest year without COVID effects
DUBAI - May 2019 57433 (2 per day) - June 73880 (68% approx) July 92792 & August 99791(92% approx) . Note May was only twice daily but 67041 the year before.
Worth noting that May and possibly the first week of June were probably affected by reduced travel due Ramadan but you can clearly see the difference.
Even 2022 shows the difference although just 2 daily
May 51251 (73%) June 50797, July 64398, August 65612 (93%)
It could be for the BHX service although of course the times don't match but I doubt it would be load related in July and August as MAN would normally fill the original flights easily. However If there is a stored aircraft running late for re-entry back into service, then I would suggest delaying BHX would not be a good idea with Saudi and Qatar starting/restarting in the same week as the A380 which will no doubt generate some decent publicity for them both and I doubt Emirates would want to be seen backtracking on the A380 in the very same week.
Just my thoughts
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. I did know before I went it was going to be hot.Alas the English school holidays seem to fuel the service in July and August irrespective of weather down route
Source CAA - 2019 latest year without COVID effects
DUBAI - May 2019 57433 (2 per day) - June 73880 (68% approx) July 92792 & August 99791(92% approx) . Note May was only twice daily but 67041 the year before.
Worth noting that May and possibly the first week of June were probably affected by reduced travel due Ramadan but you can clearly see the difference.
Even 2022 shows the difference although just 2 daily
May 51251 (73%) June 50797, July 64398, August 65612 (93%)
It could be for the BHX service although of course the times don't match but I doubt it would be load related in July and August as MAN would normally fill the original flights easily. However If there is a stored aircraft running late for re-entry back into service, then I would suggest delaying BHX would not be a good idea with Saudi and Qatar starting/restarting in the same week as the A380 which will no doubt generate some decent publicity for them both and I doubt Emirates would want to be seen backtracking on the A380 in the very same week.
Just my thoughts
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I wonder if Qantas would ever look at launching SYD-MAN once Project Sunrise gets going
After the obvious Melbourne, Adelaide, Sydney, Brisbane and maybe even Canberra to Heathrow..
Emirates always do well with UK-AUS connections.
The VFR market has huge potential for a direct link - over a million British expats in Oz as well as the 10 million + with English ancestry !
However, if we look at Qantas through the lens of American Airlines, you can just fly to Heathrow and connect from there. Hopefully they don't have such an attitude like that
After the obvious Melbourne, Adelaide, Sydney, Brisbane and maybe even Canberra to Heathrow..
Emirates always do well with UK-AUS connections.
The VFR market has huge potential for a direct link - over a million British expats in Oz as well as the 10 million + with English ancestry !
However, if we look at Qantas through the lens of American Airlines, you can just fly to Heathrow and connect from there. Hopefully they don't have such an attitude like that
The first destination will be JFK. Norse have started all of their bases from the initial JFK service.
I do hope that Norse invest in some long range narrow bodies, this would allow for the launch of some of Norwegian’s destinations they served from Edinburgh in 2017 ish.
Providence, Hartford, potentially HPN, and Manchester-New Hampshire for good measure !
I do hope that Norse invest in some long range narrow bodies, this would allow for the launch of some of Norwegian’s destinations they served from Edinburgh in 2017 ish.
Providence, Hartford, potentially HPN, and Manchester-New Hampshire for good measure !
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I don't want Norse at Manchester as they could force out EIUK and then go bust leaving us back in 2021 again ..
But you do you I guess!
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Aer Lingus U.K. is nothing more than a Virgin spoiler. They’re only going to fly routes that Virgin (or Norse) fly.
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While certainly all of those destinations I listed together are a fantasy, one of them on their own wouldn’t do half bad. If I recall correctly Thomas Cook planned to do Providence in 2016. PVD 2-3 a week on an A321 isn’t going to hurt anyone !
Now Norse’s business plan is more Norwegian out of Gatwick than Norwegian out of Edinburgh. Of course they won’t do that sort of thing.. only complicates the fleet. If VS and EUK continue to stagnate they are very much welcome to fly wherever they please but they are not a long term solution to the network holes I am afraid
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What is the new issue with parking in Manchester ? You used to pre book, drop your car in multi-story, and off you go for however long, but now limited to 7 days. Mrs Mac informs me you now have to leave your car in the hands of another driver/ meet and greet . I am not sure I would be happy handing over keys to potentially an unknown entity, of a vehicle which maybe worth 2-3 times their per annum income. Seems a little bizarre.
When I am away in Germany I generally take tram from Manchester office, or drive from home but not normally away for longer than 7 days, and on longer trip’s depending on carrier there is Limo pick up, or I get a driver from home, and even occasionally take the train . The latter I have done twice, but it didn’t end well, so generally go Limo route. However Mrs Mac was told she has to do Meet and greet. Well that is another nail in the Manchester coffin for her, as she is quite fond of her car, and doesn’t want an unknown person driving it off, and will now use Leeds or Liverpool on short haul, when going away for longer than 7 days, and no limo available.
She does a reasonable amount of flying with perhaps 10 business trips per year, plus maybe another 3-4 holiday trips, so not your typical bucket and spade type, and I would have thought the type you want to hold onto. The other thing is that one one of her girlfriends had this, and the car did circa 250 miles apparently while she was in Barbados !
Also bearing in mind she used to be on the management team of a large multinational airport group, and she thinks this is a real shot in the foot for Manchester. Anybody know why they are doing it, as you get no sense out of their web site ?
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When I am away in Germany I generally take tram from Manchester office, or drive from home but not normally away for longer than 7 days, and on longer trip’s depending on carrier there is Limo pick up, or I get a driver from home, and even occasionally take the train . The latter I have done twice, but it didn’t end well, so generally go Limo route. However Mrs Mac was told she has to do Meet and greet. Well that is another nail in the Manchester coffin for her, as she is quite fond of her car, and doesn’t want an unknown person driving it off, and will now use Leeds or Liverpool on short haul, when going away for longer than 7 days, and no limo available.
She does a reasonable amount of flying with perhaps 10 business trips per year, plus maybe another 3-4 holiday trips, so not your typical bucket and spade type, and I would have thought the type you want to hold onto. The other thing is that one one of her girlfriends had this, and the car did circa 250 miles apparently while she was in Barbados !
Also bearing in mind she used to be on the management team of a large multinational airport group, and she thinks this is a real shot in the foot for Manchester. Anybody know why they are doing it, as you get no sense out of their web site ?
Cheers
Mr Mac
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I wonder if Qantas would ever look at launching SYD-MAN once Project Sunrise gets going
After the obvious Melbourne, Adelaide, Sydney, Brisbane and maybe even Canberra to Heathrow..
Emirates always do well with UK-AUS connections.
The VFR market has huge potential for a direct link - over a million British expats in Oz as well as the 10 million + with English ancestry !
However, if we look at Qantas through the lens of American Airlines, you can just fly to Heathrow and connect from there. Hopefully they don't have such an attitude like that
After the obvious Melbourne, Adelaide, Sydney, Brisbane and maybe even Canberra to Heathrow..
Emirates always do well with UK-AUS connections.
The VFR market has huge potential for a direct link - over a million British expats in Oz as well as the 10 million + with English ancestry !
However, if we look at Qantas through the lens of American Airlines, you can just fly to Heathrow and connect from there. Hopefully they don't have such an attitude like that
BTW the Emirates partnership delivers more value to Qantas today that ever they made with their own metal twenty years ago !
Simple answer -no
Only three other European points form any part of the Qantas master plan. Paris, Frankfurt and either of Rome or Athens . Rome or Athens “may” follow Singapores (Scoot) and potentially deploy the (Jetstar) brand .
The proposed 350-1000 capacity is pretty much spoken for on Heathrow and JFK with just one other (either Paris or Frankfurt ).
Reality is Qantas/Jetstar and neighbours in New Zealand economic focus is on the Pacific Rim and Asia these days (UK membership of the TPTTC membership wont change that either !)
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Just thinking, has anyone worked out the VS fleet deployment ex-MAN for Summer 2024? With the announcement of a three-weekly Las Vegas, that takes up one A351 frame for 3 days, leaving it with 4 free days, assuming it is a MAN-based unit. So unless VS drop an existing route or frequencies to make the three LAS rotations possible (or run it on a W-pattern using a London-based frame) then they have some unaccounted for A351 capacity at MAN.
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Just thinking, has anyone worked out the VS fleet deployment ex-MAN for Summer 2024? With the announcement of a three-weekly Las Vegas, that takes up one A351 frame for 3 days, leaving it with 4 free days, assuming it is a MAN-based unit. So unless VS drop an existing route or frequencies to make the three LAS rotations possible (or run it on a W-pattern using a London-based frame) then they have some unaccounted for A351 capacity at MAN.