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Just thinking, has anyone worked out the VS fleet deployment ex-MAN for Summer 2024? With the announcement of a three-weekly Las Vegas, that takes up one A351 frame for 3 days, leaving it with 4 free days, assuming it is a MAN-based unit. So unless VS drop an existing route or frequencies to make the three LAS rotations possible (or run it on a W-pattern using a London-based frame) then they have some unaccounted for A351 capacity at MAN.
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My guess for VS ops summer 2024
1 x 330 daily JFK
1 x 330 daily ATL
1 x 350 daily MCO
1 x 350 5 weekly 2 weekly EDI to MCO
1 x 350 3 weekly LAS 4 weekly BGI
Will BFS to MCO be back ?
1 x 330 daily JFK
1 x 330 daily ATL
1 x 350 daily MCO
1 x 350 5 weekly 2 weekly EDI to MCO
1 x 350 3 weekly LAS 4 weekly BGI
Will BFS to MCO be back ?
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One hopes they hand ATL over to Delta which would effectively greenlight a full-A350 base (or another A330 destination, which is the better option)
JFK is A350 operated throughout July and August, I think they may make this permanent for next Summer
They could very well bring back BFS-MCO.. EDI-MCO could be slightly upgauged and switched to A330, could share an aircraft EDI/BFS (and put the MAN A350 on LAS)
JFK is A350 operated throughout July and August, I think they may make this permanent for next Summer
They could very well bring back BFS-MCO.. EDI-MCO could be slightly upgauged and switched to A330, could share an aircraft EDI/BFS (and put the MAN A350 on LAS)
One hopes they hand ATL over to Delta which would effectively greenlight a full-A350 base (or another A330 destination, which is the better option)
JFK is A350 operated throughout July and August, I think they may make this permanent for next Summer
They could very well bring back BFS-MCO.. EDI-MCO could be slightly upgauged and switched to A330, could share an aircraft EDI/BFS (and put the MAN A350 on LAS)
JFK is A350 operated throughout July and August, I think they may make this permanent for next Summer
They could very well bring back BFS-MCO.. EDI-MCO could be slightly upgauged and switched to A330, could share an aircraft EDI/BFS (and put the MAN A350 on LAS)
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VS & EI will have to be cautious on any expansion to New York if rumours circulating at present come true. Two extra flights you would imagine could do some damage to their yields.
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Aer Lingus NEED to fully follow the OneWorld product and offer full point and miles, this will keep them as a real choice out of MAN especially on the JFK route.
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EIUK keep Virgin in check and offer a cheaper alternative
While certainly all of those destinations I listed together are a fantasy, one of them on their own wouldn’t do half bad. If I recall correctly Thomas Cook planned to do Providence in 2016. PVD 2-3 a week on an A321 isn’t going to hurt anyone !
Now Norse’s business plan is more Norwegian out of Gatwick than Norwegian out of Edinburgh. Of course they won’t do that sort of thing.. only complicates the fleet. If VS and EUK continue to stagnate they are very much welcome to fly wherever they please but they are not a long term solution to the network holes I am afraid
While certainly all of those destinations I listed together are a fantasy, one of them on their own wouldn’t do half bad. If I recall correctly Thomas Cook planned to do Providence in 2016. PVD 2-3 a week on an A321 isn’t going to hurt anyone !
Now Norse’s business plan is more Norwegian out of Gatwick than Norwegian out of Edinburgh. Of course they won’t do that sort of thing.. only complicates the fleet. If VS and EUK continue to stagnate they are very much welcome to fly wherever they please but they are not a long term solution to the network holes I am afraid
Based on pricing in the market there is competition and I'd bet it's no picnic for either airline particularly on MCO and to a lesser extent JFK. With that in mind, surprising that MAG would encourage Norse into that space. Like another contributor said, EIUK may not be looking long term if a raft of new completion at lower cost base comes in.
However, all that said, MAG should absolutely have an aspiration to see Norse look to TA flying from STN. That should be the goal. We shall wait and see. Feels like something is definitely cooking.
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Amazed the word stagnate can be used in this context to describe Manchester and EI and VS. EI is very new there and created a new airline to fly these routes in a very short time. They've also increased the aircraft size for the JFK route. VS invested A350 in MAN and they will reopen new US routes. Nothing stagnating about any of this.
EI, I don't blame them either. But, the entry of Norse should be the push needed for both to expand some more, after a 2022 and 2023 of little growth !
The QF 35Ks are going to be extremely premium heavy, and likely more expensive than flying equivalent class via a ME hub. Is MAN able to support that over an extra LHR/FRA/FCO/CDG rotation etc? I don't think it'll be on the Project Sunrise list myself.
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Agreed. The days of direct MAN-Australia service (1983-1994) were the era before the MEB3. The world of aviation has changed and although there is strong demand from northern England to OZ and vv, the capacity, flexibility and value offered by the MEB3 and Far Eastern carriers has cornered the market. An en-route stop over such a long journey is for many travellers a welcome break, in any case. I'm doing it next winter. MAN-SIN-SYD, PER-SIN-MAN with a nice break at Changi in each direction. Singapore Airlines top quality and a decent price.
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Ryanair will launch flights to Tirana from late October, thrice weekly on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays. In addition, Ryanair will fly from Edinburgh and Stansted to Tirana and a whole host of other cities in Europe.
Information courtesy of SeanM on Twitter (@SeanM1997).
Information courtesy of SeanM on Twitter (@SeanM1997).
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Ryanair will launch flights to Tirana from late October, thrice weekly on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays. In addition, Ryanair will fly from Edinburgh and Stansted to Tirana and a whole host of other cities in Europe.
Information courtesy of SeanM on Twitter (@SeanM1997).
Information courtesy of SeanM on Twitter (@SeanM1997).
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Agreed it's a genuinely interesting new route. The Balkans are popular at the moment, particularly Montenegro, but Tirana is also a very interesting city, and Kukes is a lovely beach resort and the countryside is lovely.
There is a hive of activity there now with Wizz and Ryanair expanding rapidly to points across the UK and EU, with Wizzair also launching Tirana - Liverpool (source SeanM1997 on Twitter). Has there been a legislative change to spar this very sharp increase in capacity to Tirana? I am not up to date. Wizz have launched 10 routes with Ryanair launching 17 all in short order.
There is a hive of activity there now with Wizz and Ryanair expanding rapidly to points across the UK and EU, with Wizzair also launching Tirana - Liverpool (source SeanM1997 on Twitter). Has there been a legislative change to spar this very sharp increase in capacity to Tirana? I am not up to date. Wizz have launched 10 routes with Ryanair launching 17 all in short order.
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Agreed it's a genuinely interesting new route. The Balkans are popular at the moment, particularly Montenegro, but Tirana is also a very interesting city, and Kukes is a lovely beach resort and the countryside is lovely.
There is a hive of activity there now with Wizz and Ryanair expanding rapidly to points across the UK and EU, with Wizzair also launching Tirana - Liverpool (source SeanM1997 on Twitter). Has there been a legislative change to spar this very sharp increase in capacity to Tirana? I am not up to date. Wizz have launched 10 routes with Ryanair launching 17 all in short order.
There is a hive of activity there now with Wizz and Ryanair expanding rapidly to points across the UK and EU, with Wizzair also launching Tirana - Liverpool (source SeanM1997 on Twitter). Has there been a legislative change to spar this very sharp increase in capacity to Tirana? I am not up to date. Wizz have launched 10 routes with Ryanair launching 17 all in short order.
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Albania is a great destination to go to, not only a beautiful coastline but some wonderful scenery and historic sights to visit inland plus Tirana is very buzzy and a touch quirky. For once, the media hype is to be believed and I think it's going to see a huge increase in tourism as a result of this Wizz and FR expansion. The tourism infrastructure IMO is good, hotels generally a really good standard, public transport however for getting around is limited away from Tirana and Sarande and driving is a bit hairy but I think these sorts of things will continue to improve.
With routes launching from BHX, LPL (EDI (Wizz) and MAN, EDI and STN (FR) plus the existing connections from LTN and LGW the airlines know they're on to something and I should imagine there will be a lot of Albania posts and photos on social media accounts over the next year!
With routes launching from BHX, LPL (EDI (Wizz) and MAN, EDI and STN (FR) plus the existing connections from LTN and LGW the airlines know they're on to something and I should imagine there will be a lot of Albania posts and photos on social media accounts over the next year!
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Hainan appear to be adding a 5th weekly flight to PEK from W23, according to the ACL report.
They currently operate 4 p/w
Cathay back to daily to HKG, although they've held daily slots for some time now, I do expect them to upgauge in some way shape or form
They currently operate 4 p/w
Cathay back to daily to HKG, although they've held daily slots for some time now, I do expect them to upgauge in some way shape or form
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Unfortunately CX has to use 5 slots a day at LHR, as they do not want to loose them, what with LHR being the centre of the universe! The consequences of not enough pilots and a/c means that places like MAN, had to give up slots in order to serve LHR. MAN was supposed to be daily this summer, as were other European ports, but in order to maintain LHR the other European ports had to sacrifice some of their flts! Until such time as there are enough pilots/aircraft (still have 30 in storage until the end of the year) things won't change unfortunately.
