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The original T2 concept was based on a linear approach prior to 9/11 with a significantly lower security threshold and tolerance with all gates being contact and directly in front of the customer.
It was intentionally designed with a low dwell time kerb to gate principle in mind and it worked until government imposed border changes and differing security regulations on the industry including sterile separation of arriving and departing passengers (both having be security vetted somewhere)
This has had a detrimental effect at many UK airports and very much so here in T1 directly resulting in that up and down stairs nonsense.
It was intentionally designed with a low dwell time kerb to gate principle in mind and it worked until government imposed border changes and differing security regulations on the industry including sterile separation of arriving and departing passengers (both having be security vetted somewhere)
This has had a detrimental effect at many UK airports and very much so here in T1 directly resulting in that up and down stairs nonsense.
That particular government edict also screwed the original North Terminal Pier 5 layout on opening as it was not fit for purpose right at the start, the following new build, Pier 4 was built to have arrivals and departures on seperate floors and Pier 5 only got this under GIP ownership about a decade ago, some 30 years after opening. When did these regulations actually come in? Can anyone remember? T2 opened in 1993 some 5 years after LGW North.
Hindsight is 20/20 but in those days at the end of the last century, no one took Ryanair seriously or thought easyJet would last. And of course, BA would never leave! MAN had a long haul portfolio which was impacted by the coming of the cartels, er I mean "alliances" meaning carriers no longer had to fly their own long haul metal into T2 but they could codeshare with a short haul feeder....
The latest update posted on the official Manchester Airport Twitter account said: "The power outage that affected Terminal 3 shortly before 8am has been resolved and we are working to return services to normal. We are aware this means some passengers are facing long waiting times than usual as our airlines recover their check-in processes and we apologise or any inconvenience. Passengers are advised to check with their airline for the most up-to-date flight information."
including sterile separation of arriving and departing passengers
Such complaint should be directed to the contractors surely if they haven’t delivered .
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Hmm - I was taught that keeping arriving and departing passengers seperate was best practice a couple of decades before 9/11
True the security made such recommendations however generally existing infrastructure would have be largely exempted .That said if we look at pier B the cross flows were largely within the pier itself and traffic flows a magnitude smaller by comparison to today.
In addition to the tragic impact of 9/11 on the world, some of the UK border sterile environment was due to remaining outside Schengen -a purely political decision resulting the strengthening and sterile requirements .
Who's been monitoring progress and signed it off? Easy to blame contractors but who are they working for?
True the security made such recommendations however generally existing infrastructure would have be largely exempted .That said if we look at pier B the cross flows were largely within the pier itself and traffic flows a magnitude smaller by comparison to today.
In addition to the tragic impact of 9/11 on the world, some of the UK border sterile environment was due to remaining outside Schengen -a purely political decision resulting the strengthening and sterile requirements .
Who's been monitoring progress and signed it off? Easy to blame contractors but who are they working for?
Pacal and Watson - Architect
not sure of the H&S consultants maybe MACE
Are the prime companies .
Laing O’Rourke will have signed off to MAG at Practical Completion and will by now have be paid at least 95%
Sub contractors should have received 97.5% by now
In some cases Laing may have hold of performance bonds and or PCGs in addition to the retentions.
It is certain Laing will have significant financial sway over the snagging programme.
However other than emergency work I doubt MAG are going to allow/make access easy over the next three months
Short answer for the woes of the new pier. Apparently, to save money they didn't fit a sprinkler system, which means they are not allowed to store vehicles underneath. No parking. They can't even keep baggage trollies under there. As for getting the contractors to fix the faults. Ha! What a laugh. You ring the number to report a snag, it gets looked at weeks later, then within a few days breaks again. It's cheap and nasty.
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Attended an event this afternoon, not much concrete to report.
New services - expect an announcement in the next couple of weeks (no indication on what)
X Ray equipment, first of the new scanners start arriving in September in T2 then following in lots of two, all training complete and fully operational for next summer.
T3 will be dedicated to Ryanair once T2 is completed.
U.S flights, working on them, hurdles are the exchange rate, lack of aircraft and lack of pilots - demand is not an issue.
Need to encourage more inbound traffic currently 15% inbound and 85% of traffic UK originating.
Marketing Manchester working with the Welsh Govt and Aer Lingus to market Manchester as gateway to Wales using New York flights, Aer Lingus looking at a long term partnership with Manchester (portent to future growth maybe?)
New services - expect an announcement in the next couple of weeks (no indication on what)
X Ray equipment, first of the new scanners start arriving in September in T2 then following in lots of two, all training complete and fully operational for next summer.
T3 will be dedicated to Ryanair once T2 is completed.
U.S flights, working on them, hurdles are the exchange rate, lack of aircraft and lack of pilots - demand is not an issue.
Need to encourage more inbound traffic currently 15% inbound and 85% of traffic UK originating.
Marketing Manchester working with the Welsh Govt and Aer Lingus to market Manchester as gateway to Wales using New York flights, Aer Lingus looking at a long term partnership with Manchester (portent to future growth maybe?)
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Attended an event this afternoon, not much concrete to report.
New services - expect an announcement in the next couple of weeks (no indication on what)
X Ray equipment, first of the new scanners start arriving in September in T2 then following in lots of two, all training complete and fully operational for next summer.
T3 will be dedicated to Ryanair once T2 is completed.
U.S flights, working on them, hurdles are the exchange rate, lack of aircraft and lack of pilots - demand is not an issue.
Need to encourage more inbound traffic currently 15% inbound and 85% of traffic UK originating.
Marketing Manchester working with the Welsh Govt and Aer Lingus to market Manchester as gateway to Wales using New York flights, Aer Lingus looking at a long term partnership with Manchester (portent to future growth maybe?)
New services - expect an announcement in the next couple of weeks (no indication on what)
X Ray equipment, first of the new scanners start arriving in September in T2 then following in lots of two, all training complete and fully operational for next summer.
T3 will be dedicated to Ryanair once T2 is completed.
U.S flights, working on them, hurdles are the exchange rate, lack of aircraft and lack of pilots - demand is not an issue.
Need to encourage more inbound traffic currently 15% inbound and 85% of traffic UK originating.
Marketing Manchester working with the Welsh Govt and Aer Lingus to market Manchester as gateway to Wales using New York flights, Aer Lingus looking at a long term partnership with Manchester (portent to future growth maybe?)
We have Egyptair returning for Summer 2023 and that is it for new carriers. It would be very nice to see Etihad restore their 2nd daily service too.
US flights, once again, lack of aircraft. Certainly for Virgin.
United not resuming EWR in Summer 2023 was not down to "Manchester being bad" it was simply UA opting to chase leisure markets, I mean they've got Tenerife, Palma de Mallorca, Dubrovnik and Malaga added in the past two years. Summer 2024 I am 90% sure that UA will make the anticipated return.
Edit: Looks like we are only a few weeks away until the ACL Winter 2023 reports. Let's hope this Air India rumour comes to fruition.. if not this winter, it will be in 2024. MAN is next on the list for AI in Europe.
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Short answer for the woes of the new pier. Apparently, to save money they didn't fit a sprinkler system, which means they are not allowed to store vehicles underneath. No parking. They can't even keep baggage trollies under there. As for getting the contractors to fix the faults. Ha! What a laugh. You ring the number to report a snag, it gets looked at weeks later, then within a few days breaks again. It's cheap and nasty.
Certainly a major issue and seriously expensive to resolve as retro fit.
Why the design team allowed this to be deleted is a serious concern -probably didnt even tell MAG of the implications..
I will make some quiet calls when back in the UK . Not that I can do anything but I do know people in that frame of work and it would be interesting to find out a little more.
As for the snagging yes can be a pain in the butt to get answers and indeed the attention of the compliance people thats an industry wide problem.
So what is in the crypt ?
U.S flights, working on them, hurdles are the exchange rate, lack of aircraft and lack of pilots - demand is not an issue.
United not resuming EWR in Summer 2023 was not down to "Manchester being bad" it was simply UA opting to chase leisure markets, I mean they've got Tenerife, Palma de Mallorca, Dubrovnik and Malaga added in the past two years. Summer 2024 I am 90% sure that UA will make the anticipated return.
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Maybe given the glacial progress on T2 they are hoping for HS2 to have reached Manchester in time for its completion
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Mr Mac
Maybe given the glacial progress on T2 they are hoping for HS2 to have reached Manchester in time for its completion
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Rumours that a new route to the US will be announced in the coming weeks. My initial thought is either Aer Lingus to Chicago or Virgin back on Las Vegas, as was heavily rumoured for S22..
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Either would be really good news.
I see from Sean M on twitter that Egyptair now have approval to reinstatement their CAI-MAN service from 15th July, daily except Monday & Wednesday.
I see from Sean M on twitter that Egyptair now have approval to reinstatement their CAI-MAN service from 15th July, daily except Monday & Wednesday.
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EI to Chicago, with the new AA-EI codeshare it offers a world of connections into the US. JFK is quite weak in terms of AA and you will often find yourself flying with BA to DFW or PHL if you want to connect.
VS to Las Vegas, a route long sought after. This could also be the final push for Virgin to actually go ahead with their plans for a Clubhouse at T2.
Other possibilities could be Boston, either EIUK or VS.. Assumedly this new route would be for Winter 23, however in the case of Summer 2024 well an American return to PHL would be most welcome! UA always announce their new summer routes in October so EWR is ruled out for now. EIUK going to the West Coast is something that can't be ignored either. VS to LAX instead of LAS too.
EI's final A330 in storage (EI-GEY) flew from Nimes to Bordeaux for heavy maintenance yesterday in advance of a return to service, so there is now an A330 unaccounted for in the schedule every day. Apparently the plan is to have a spare A330 sitting around in DUB to cover for shortages. That's very unlike EI! It does give them an extra widebody to play with in the winter when there's more slack in the schedule.....
I have to say it again - security at Manchester is the most obstructive and unhelpful of any airport I have experienced - and I have experienced a few! My wife and 18 month old baby just went out through T2, it took them 45 minutes to get airside - and that's just 'contact time' with the security team; they used fast track and had essentially no queuing time. Scanning, rescanning, swabbing, re-swabbing, hanging around for re-screening, the baby's (OTC) allergy meds were not allowed through as there was no prescription! I really must say, security at Manchester is always an unpleasant experience. I suppose their hyper vigilance may be viewed as commendable, but every other airport we have used has been a much more pleasant experience.
I have to say it again - security at Manchester is the most obstructive and unhelpful of any airport I have experienced - and I have experienced a few! My wife and 18 month old baby just went out through T2, it took them 45 minutes to get airside - and that's just 'contact time' with the security team; they used fast track and had essentially no queuing time. Scanning, rescanning, swabbing, re-swabbing, hanging around for re-screening, the baby's (OTC) allergy meds were not allowed through as there was no prescription! I really must say, security at Manchester is always an unpleasant experience. I suppose their hyper vigilance may be viewed as commendable, but every other airport we have used has been a much more pleasant experience.
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I have to say it again - security at Manchester is the most obstructive and unhelpful of any airport I have experienced - and I have experienced a few! My wife and 18 month old baby just went out through T2, it took them 45 minutes to get airside - and that's just 'contact time' with the security team; they used fast track and had essentially no queuing time. Scanning, rescanning, swabbing, re-swabbing, hanging around for re-screening, the baby's (OTC) allergy meds were not allowed through as there was no prescription! I really must say, security at Manchester is always an unpleasant experience. I suppose their hyper vigilance may be viewed as commendable, but every other airport we have used has been a much more pleasant experience.