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Old 2nd May 2020, 14:00
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Be interesting if similar criteria is imposed on BA - should they receive a gov dot uk bale out - as been imposed on Air France w.r.t. short domestic flights:

https://www.railjournal.com/passenge...ail-in-france/

That would surely kill LHR to both MAN and LBA, and even NCL GLA and EDI if the French 1 h 15 min flight became a UK 1 h 30 m.

And UK+FR for example and/or other lands acting together could kill off LHR CDG / BRU, and so on. in favour of channel tunnel - in terms of flight time, if 1 h 30 m were set.

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Of course France has the benefit of a large high speed rail system which had already eaten into domestic air services. That said Virgin's high frequency timetable was said to have done the same for Manchester - with the exception of those using Man-LHR to connect to other flights.

Also, I seem to recall that France has ducked, dived and evaded the EU's railway liberalisation rules. With these in mind, I think that Air France were themselves proposing to run trains between Paris, Paris CDG, Lyon and the south, but AFAIK this came to nothing.
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LHR isn't exactly connected to the rest of the country by high speed rail, so apples and oranges.
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AND when has France and Germany obeyed EU rules when it suits them! They disregard EU rules as and when is convenient to either or both of them.
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OBB, Arriva and NS operate trains in Germany .

And the liberation is a British idea you know ruin every other integrated network !
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Old 3rd May 2020, 09:35
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And there's an independent operator in Italy also.
The EU may be slow to enforce its rules, but they do enforce them. The idea that only the UK obeys them is one of the founding myths of Brexit.
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Old 3rd May 2020, 11:02
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And there's an independent operator in Italy also.
The EU may be slow to enforce its rules, but they do enforce them. The idea that only the UK obeys them is one of the founding myths of Brexit.
Assuming you mean Italo, in their early days (maybe still) they were subjected to lots of dirty tricks by Trenitalia, the nationally-owned operator, while the government and the EU sat on their hands.
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Old 3rd May 2020, 16:46
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They havenít enforced it in Italy up until now - they have been in special administration for 3 years.

Iím not saying itís necessarily a bad thing that the Italian government have propped up Alitalia over all of these years, protecting livelihoods, but you can understand when the likes of RYR complain about this sort of thing; when thereís a perception of one rule for one...
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Those BA staff remaining to go onto zero hours contracts.

Those being made redundant get Govt minima only.

Ruthless and opportunist.

I see trouble ahead.
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Old 4th May 2020, 07:28
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Originally Posted by D7666 View Post
Be interesting if similar criteria is imposed on BA - should they receive a gov dot uk bale out - as been imposed on Air France w.r.t. short domestic flights:

https://www.railjournal.com/passenge...ail-in-france/

That would surely kill LHR to both MAN and LBA, and even NCL GLA and EDI if the French 1 h 15 min flight became a UK 1 h 30 m.

And UK+FR for example and/or other lands acting together could kill off LHR CDG / BRU, and so on. in favour of channel tunnel - in terms of flight time, if 1 h 30 m were set.

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No danger of that soon.

The fastest Edinburgh to London train is OVER 4 hours.

Edinburgh to Manchester fastest is over 3 hours, Birmingham even longer
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Old 4th May 2020, 08:09
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On the other hand, for Birmingham and Manchester at least, the train is much more frequent in normal times, and gives you uninterrupted work time.
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gives you uninterrupted work time
Hmm - that's a matter of opinion....
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Originally Posted by D7666 View Post
Be interesting if similar criteria is imposed on BA - should they receive a gov dot uk bale out - as been imposed on Air France w.r.t. short domestic flights:

https://www.railjournal.com/passenge...ail-in-france/

That would surely kill LHR to both MAN and LBA, and even NCL GLA and EDI if the French 1 h 15 min flight became a UK 1 h 30 m.

And UK+FR for example and/or other lands acting together could kill off LHR CDG / BRU, and so on. in favour of channel tunnel - in terms of flight time, if 1 h 30 m were set.

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Except that the Air France agreement specifically exempts routes to/from "hub" airports such as CDG because of transit pax. So pretty much like the BA routes into LHR. Note it's the routes that are exempt, irrespective of whether pax are transiting or not..
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On the other hand, for Birmingham and Manchester at least, the train is much more frequent in normal times, and gives you uninterrupted work time.
Riding on those God awaful Voyagers, no thanks!
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Scotland to Manchester will now always be a brand new 397 aka Nova 2. To Birmingham it will usually be a pendolino, but you will sometimes unfortunately get a Voyager. Avanti will replace them.
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Riding on those God awaful Voyagers, no thanks!
Its Pendolini on these routes
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This is supposed to be a thread about BA not a discussion about Thomas the tank engine
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I note that to often the reference is to BA! The reality is IAG are calling the shots and what counts are their plans. LGW can be operated by Vueling, Level and Iberia Express, particularly as IAG will in the future have a large fleet of surplus aircrafts. Indeed BA CityFlyer may also have a role to play at LHR and LGW, though immediate future of social distancing on an EMB will be a challenge. With the sad likelihood of at least 1 in 5 job losses it will be years before people have the finances to fly as frequently as they used to.
If BA did move its E-jet fleet to LGW, would they completely give up their profitable LCY routes or would they expand their Ejet fleet with more planes, say with E2 generation that flies farther and burning less fuel?
Also would they be able to increase seat count on their fleet and get the bigger E195s?
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This is supposed to be a thread about BA not a discussion about Thomas the tank engine
If BA pull the domestic routes then we'll have no alternative to travel by Thomas the tank engine. NCL and LBA could be pulled sooner than one thinks!
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https://simpleflying.com/iag-uk-government-aid/amp/

Not seen this reported elsewhere yet
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Originally Posted by caaardiff View Post
https://simpleflying.com/iag-uk-government-aid/amp/

Not seen this reported elsewhere yet
Its been widely reported. Same BoE scheme Easyjet used.
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