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Old 8th Mar 2020, 14:50
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Gloating over the demise of Flybe is highly inappropriate not to mention tactless
But you've wantef thay to happen for a long time have'nt you
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What on earth makes you say that ? I bare ,nor have I ever done, no I’ll will towards BEE whatsoever. I merely commented on the fact that EZY moving in on the Manchester - Jersey route made me expect that BEE would not be able to compete; & that I would have expected them to have to abandon it , that’s all. Now they have; & not necessarily because they could not compete with EZY. I have professional & personal relationships with BEE that go right back to the days of Intra Airways. I have never had any issues with them whatsoever. I simply comment on situations as I see them. I am in no way gloating over the situation. I am deeply saddened that you have taken such comments to indicate that I bore them any kind of malice. Please enlighten me as to where you get your inspiration for your comment.

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Old 8th Mar 2020, 22:43
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Originally Posted by kcockayne View Post
What on earth makes you say that ? I bare ,nor have I ever done, no Iíll will towards BEE whatsoever. I merely commented on the fact that EZY moving in on the Manchester - Jersey route made me expect that BEE would not be able to compete; & that I would have expected them to have to abandon it , thatís all. Now they have; & not necessarily because they could not compete with EZY. I have professional & personal relationships with BEE that go right back to the days of Intra Airways. I have never had any issues with them whatsoever. I simply comment on situations as I see them. I am in no way gloating over the situation. I am deeply saddened that you have taken such comments to indicate that I bore them any kind of malice. Please enlighten me as to where you get your inspiration for your comment.
To be fair, I also read your comment as distasteful whether you meant it that way or not.

ď I have been waiting for BEE to pull off the route. Now, they have ! ď

Not that you need me to clarify but BE didnít pull
off the route, they went out of business. Two very different things. Pulling off a route is a voluntary decision, closing the business down wasnít.
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Old 9th Mar 2020, 00:05
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To be fair, I also read your comment as distasteful whether you meant it that way or not.

ď I have been waiting for BEE to pull off the route. Now, they have ! ď

Not that you need me to clarify but BE didnít pull
off the route, they went out of business. Two very different things. Pulling off a route is a voluntary decision, closing the business down wasnít.
Well, this is a lesson to me in how someone can find offence in something that was meant without any intention of causing offence. All that I was trying to say was that I was expecting BEE to find the competition from EZY on the Manchester route to be too strong to withstand. The other comment about BEE pulling off the route was meant to acknowledge the irony that they had now done this- but involuntarily. There was never any intention to appear to be gloating over what has happened, or of wanting it to happen. The whole commentary was meant to convey to garstag that there was little prospect of BCI operating the same route in competition with an airline of EZYís strength. And that alone. If I have caused offence, I apologize for having posted something that could be taken that way. I repeat, that was never the intention. However, this episode has illustrated to me that oneís best intentions can be misconstrued quite easily, perhaps the more so if someone is of a mindset to identify another personís comments as worthy of an interpretation that was never intended ; or even thought of as likely to be understood in that manner.
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Old 9th Mar 2020, 08:38
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Originally Posted by kcockayne View Post
Well, this is a lesson to me in how someone can find offence in something that was meant without any intention of causing offence. All that I was trying to say was that I was expecting BEE to find the competition from EZY on the Manchester route to be too strong to withstand. The other comment about BEE pulling off the route was meant to acknowledge the irony that they had now done this- but involuntarily. There was never any intention to appear to be gloating over what has happened, or of wanting it to happen. The whole commentary was meant to convey to garstag that there was little prospect of BCI operating the same route in competition with an airline of EZYís strength. And that alone. If I have caused offence, I apologize for having posted something that could be taken that way. I repeat, that was never the intention. However, this episode has illustrated to me that oneís best intentions can be misconstrued quite easily, perhaps the more so if someone is of a mindset to identify another personís comments as worthy of an interpretation that was never intended ; or even thought of as likely to be understood in that manner.
Iím not easily offended I just found it distasteful - thereís a difference. However your explanation I am sure will be appreciated
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 11:26
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Originally Posted by kcockayne View Post
Well, this is a lesson to me in how someone can find offence in something that was meant without any intention of causing offence. All that I was trying to say was that I was expecting BEE to find the competition from EZY on the Manchester route to be too strong to withstand. The other comment about BEE pulling off the route was meant to acknowledge the irony that they had now done this- but involuntarily. There was never any intention to appear to be gloating over what has happened, or of wanting it to happen. The whole commentary was meant to convey to garstag that there was little prospect of BCI operating the same route in competition with an airline of EZYís strength. And that alone. If I have caused offence, I apologize for having posted something that could be taken that way. I repeat, that was never the intention. However, this episode has illustrated to me that oneís best intentions can be misconstrued quite easily, perhaps the more so if someone is of a mindset to identify another personís comments as worthy of an interpretation that was never intended ; or even thought of as likely to be understood in that manner.
The problem we all face is that typed comments are simply read by others rather than heard in a particular tone of voice. The same comment heard vocally would indicate the inner feelings of the person who had made it. When I read the comment some have taken exception to, I did not detect any gloating over the demise of Flybe but rather irony. The comment had nothing to do with Flybe employees who had been made redundant overnight.
Regular readers of this forum soon form an idea of the posters and can detect trolls and those out to gloat. The comments of kcockayne fall into neither of these categories. While care is needed in posting comments, it is impossible in debates of this kind to completely avoid being misunderstood. Our interpretations can be very subjective. The fact that an apology was quickly offered proves the genuineness of the poster. (Trolls never apologize.) Surely most of us are genuinely sorry for those working at the coal-face who have been badly let down by their employers. We wish Blue Islands and other carriers every success and hope those out of work through the Flybe calamity will soon fare rather better.
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 15:39
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Everything I would have written myself Gurnard! Well said.
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 15:53
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The problem with Jersey - Manchester is currently EasyJet offers such cheap fares between Liverpool and Jersey it would be difficult to compete.
Liverpool is an easier airport to use anyway, you would be off the plane and out the door and still taxing at Manchester.
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 18:23
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Originally Posted by Gurnard View Post
The problem we all face is that typed comments are simply read by others rather than heard in a particular tone of voice. The same comment heard vocally would indicate the inner feelings of the person who had made it. When I read the comment some have taken exception to, I did not detect any gloating over the demise of Flybe but rather irony. The comment had nothing to do with Flybe employees who had been made redundant overnight.
Regular readers of this forum soon form an idea of the posters and can detect trolls and those out to gloat. The comments of kcockayne fall into neither of these categories. While care is needed in posting comments, it is impossible in debates of this kind to completely avoid being misunderstood. Our interpretations can be very subjective. The fact that an apology was quickly offered proves the genuineness of the poster. (Trolls never apologize.) Surely most of us are genuinely sorry for those working at the coal-face who have been badly let down by their employers. We wish Blue Islands and other carriers every success and hope those out of work through the Flybe calamity will soon fare rather better.
Thank you for your comments, Gurnard, they are greatly appreciated. I can tell you that I was devastated that someone had put the connotation which they had on my original comments. That was why I apologized - I had no wish or intention to upset anyone. I am a genuine contributor with a lifetime of professional & personal interest in aviation , hopefully, my comments are taken as they are intended. It is good to discover that you & others accept my sincerity & best intentions. I only hope that any others can accept my genuineness. Thank you again.
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 19:17
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You're most welcome. I can see that your past contributions have been thoughtful as well as informative. Reading some folk's comments, it is evident that they rush into things and express themselves carelessly without reading what they have written. If we were to pick them up on their unpunctuated comments and misspelt words, they would probably take great exception! Let's keep up the helpful dialogue. Those with a professional and personal interest in aviation matters stand out from the folk on the other side who struggle to offer anything really worthwhile.
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 06:19
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Originally Posted by Gurnard View Post
You're most welcome. I can see that your past contributions have been thoughtful as well as informative. Reading some folk's comments, it is evident that they rush into things and express themselves carelessly without reading what they have written. If we were to pick them up on their unpunctuated comments and misspelt words, they would probably take great exception! Let's keep up the helpful dialogue. Those with a professional and personal interest in aviation matters stand out from the folk on the other side who struggle to offer anything really worthwhile.
Ladies and or gents, please. Each and everyone is entitled to an opinion. Just because you both share yours does not make anyone else wrong so time to cut the attitude. Letís move on to something related to the airline in the title of the thread shall we?
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 16:30
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Blue Islands to start Exeter-Manchester in mid April, multiple flights daily.
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 17:01
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Would that be a through-service to the Channel Islands as well?
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 17:57
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Would that be a through-service to the Channel Islands as well?
Not sure but they will be operating to Jersey from Exeter, they are also setting up a base at Exeter with full maintenance facilities for their ATR fleet.
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 19:12
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Not sure but they will be operating to Jersey from Exeter, they are also setting up a base at Exeter with full maintenance facilities for their ATR fleet.
Could be the making of BCI - if they get it right. Or, it could make things even worse for them. Time will tell.
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 22:21
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Could be the making of BCI - if they get it right. Or, it could make things even worse for them. Time will tell.
Newquay to London would surely suit them, especially if the PSO gets retendered. They could be Air Southwest Mk II
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 22:42
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Could be the making of BCI - if they get it right.
Newquay to London would surely suit them
BCI only have 5 aircraft, and I suspect with the recent/rapid expansion they may be quite busy! (for what is still the Winter season)

PSO funding may enable them to expand, but I suspect an ATR might not be welcome at LHR?
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BCI only have 5 aircraft, and I suspect with the recent/rapid expansion they may be quite busy! (for what is still the Winter season)

PSO funding may enable them to expand, but I suspect an ATR might not be welcome at LHR?
No but other London airports are available including LGW where it was moving to anyway and which seems to be the local preference. And LCY for that matter, the Dundee PSO has got in there.
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I guess the only issue is that the PSO doesnít come with slots, the operator needs to source them.

That might be possible in the short term at LGW as I expect the reduction in flying may mean airlines would be happy to find a home for these given the COVID issues.
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With no codeshares, how will they sustain the Exeter-Manchester service?
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