Airlines, Airports & Routes Topics about airports, routes and airline business.

Blue Islands

Old 7th Jul 2020, 05:30
  #201 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: davenport IA
Age: 68
Posts: 410
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Blue islands did a daily rotation into CWL under the Flybe franchise but not under Blue islands. Some CWL followers are saying blue islands will operate into CWL under their own right. I have seen nothing to confirm this, i can only think the spotters are being wishfull yhinking with this as it being run ubder Flybe franchise and think it will continue under Blue islands flight numbers.Time will tell if it will run or some body has seen it some where to say it will run.
yeo valley is offline  
Old 7th Jul 2020, 09:17
  #202 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Waters edge
Posts: 412
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
4 months on It seems I was rather too optimistIc

Originally Posted by Flitefone View Post
Itís easy to be distracted by the fall out from the unfortunate demise of Flybe and the subsequent scramble to back fill routes. But the reality of the present crisis is much more profound for aviation and - in context of the Southampton area - for the Cruise Industry too.

Among the many announcements over the past ten days was the statement by the Delta Airlines CEO in which he said that demand is not expected to return for 18 months. Of course, none of us know, but we do have some precedent with both the global financial crisis of 2008/9 and 9/11. 18 months from now is the beginning to the winter schedule 21/22, so the reality is more likely to be a return to normality for the summer 2022 season. In the meantime, buckle up.

For the south coast, BOH in 2019 had recovered only about 80% of its previous peak passenger throughput which was in 2007! Meanwhile SOU, until fairly recently, doing better, had peaked a year or two prior to 2019. So what is a likely outcome?

For the UK as a whole, a reasonable estimate of the impact in 2020, is a 25% annual fall in passenger numbers for 2020, 20m wiped from LHR, 11m from Gatwick and so on. On current indications, it is also likely that more airlines will go under. In simple terms, those with cash in the bank and relatively manageable debt will probably come out of this stronger. That means IAG and Ryanair, perhaps even easyJet, but the latter has picked a very bad year to launch its inclusive holiday business.

In the meantime, all airlines (and airports) are in a cash preserving mode, cutting costs wherever they can. Staff will go, projects will be deferred or cancelled, at least until there is more clarity about revenue normalising again. The airport owners - usually Pension Funds and Infrastructure investors - look for consistent returns, when revenue falls, that means cost cutting.

Pressure on London runway slots and airspace will ease, the need for airlines to move into the UK regions to deliver growth has probably moved right by 3 years, and for easyjet the recently acquired Thomas Cook slots at LGW and BRS are in its back pocket for growth when it does return.

So where does that leave SOU expansion plans?

In my view there is no doubt that planning permission for the runway extension is much more likely to get the green light now, planners will need to be seen to support economic growth, there will be environmental requirements, but it will be approved. But, the airport owners are much less likely to be ready to spend the money on development. Why? Because the value of the (all) airports, has just taken a big hit, money will be spent only when there is a reasonable basis that it will deliver a return through increased traffic, or the value of the airport.

So, for the next 2-3 years staying in business will be the key objective for all airports, especially the regions.

FF
My views have changed since mid march when I posted this - make that 3-5 years and 5-8 for some!

Q4 this year is likely to be ugly.

FF
Flitefone is online now  
Old 7th Jul 2020, 17:37
  #203 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: BMA
Posts: 929
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

judging by that video, a new or special livery is due out tomorrow.
BA318 is online now  
Old 7th Jul 2020, 18:46
  #204 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Europe
Posts: 2,158
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Are they allowed to fly around with a franchised branding if the franchisor is insolvent? I assume they will have to pay the administrators to some extent? I remember that elsewhere airlines using a franchised brand hastily removed as much as possible of the livery .
virginblue is offline  
Old 7th Jul 2020, 18:58
  #205 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Guernsey
Posts: 86
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The colours in the Blue Islands logo changed fairly recently, suspect it will be navy blue and white, along the lines of Lufthansa with mainly white fuselage - can't see it being that revolutionary, especially if the branding has been done by someone in the Healthspan Marketing Team, like the last one supposedly was.
KindaUnstuck is offline  
Old 7th Jul 2020, 19:49
  #206 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: In the real world.
Posts: 590
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The website is currently showing a new Blue Islands 'logo'.
The Welcome Difference tagline has been rolled out again - I wonder what difference they plan to introduce this time around?


Last edited by Jerbourg; 7th Jul 2020 at 20:44.
Jerbourg is offline  
Old 7th Jul 2020, 20:10
  #207 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: IOM
Posts: 967
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
As an aside, any business which shuts its' website to launch a revamp during the day is idiotic. Have to wonder about their commercial acumen. They either launch it in parallel or flip it in the unearthly hours. Not during the soaps when Joan wants to book some flights on Jeff's credit card.
JSCL is offline  
Old 7th Jul 2020, 20:49
  #208 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Blighty
Posts: 5,091
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
This is a small airline with 5 puddle jumpers, not Easyjet or BA. Resources are likely to be very limited.
The person(s) doing the switchover likely works on a UK bodyclock. If the changeover takes maybe an hour or two, then best to let them do it when everyone is reasonably alert, instead of at 3 am, and other people are available to confirm all is ok or make a decision to roll back the changes
That said, 8 am on Sunday morning is maybe a better idea...
davidjohnson6 is offline  
Old 7th Jul 2020, 20:56
  #209 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: In the real world.
Posts: 590
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Self handling at GCI has been closed down & handling for SOU & JER is going back to Aurigny I hear, can anyone confirm or is this rumour?
Jerbourg is offline  
Old 7th Jul 2020, 21:01
  #210 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 1,367
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
As an aside, any business which shuts its' website to launch a revamp during the day is idiotic. Have to wonder about their commercial acumen. They either launch it in parallel or flip it in the unearthly hours. Not during the soaps when Joan wants to book some flights on Jeff's credit card.
Clearly the words of someone who has never been involved in a res system migration from one platform to another. It's a process which many airlines have had years to plan and implement (and some have still messed it up royally) and so to be at this point just four months after Flybe collapsed having had an interim system running in the meantime is good going. Even when planned, this process can take 12 to 14 hours to migrate bookings then test and conduct the integrity checks of migrated bookings before going live.

Let's see what tomorrow brings.
Flightrider is offline  
Old 7th Jul 2020, 21:03
  #211 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Swansea
Age: 35
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Jerbourg View Post
Self handling at GCI has been closed down & handling for SOU & JER is going back to Aurigny I hear, can anyone confirm or is this rumour?
Sounds like typical horse manure, aurigny have no handling in jersey since they pulled off of the route I believe?
Borntoflywillfly is offline  
Old 7th Jul 2020, 21:15
  #212 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Guernsey
Posts: 86
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Borntoflywillfly View Post
Sounds like typical horse manure, aurigny have no handling in jersey since they pulled off of the route I believe?
Jerbourg was suggesting the self-handling operation in Guernsey which handles flights to/from Southampton and Jersey had been closed down.

​​​​

I understand from someone who works at the airport that they haven't seen any sign of the Blue Islands handling equipment recently

Last edited by KindaUnstuck; 7th Jul 2020 at 21:34.
KindaUnstuck is offline  
Old 7th Jul 2020, 22:34
  #213 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: London
Posts: 123
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Flightrider View Post
Clearly the words of someone who has never been involved in a res system migration from one platform to another. It's a process which many airlines have had years to plan and implement (and some have still messed it up royally) and so to be at this point just four months after Flybe collapsed having had an interim system running in the meantime is good going. Even when planned, this process can take 12 to 14 hours to migrate bookings then test and conduct the integrity checks of migrated bookings before going live.

Let's see what tomorrow brings.
Interesting when I checked earlier the only flight offered was the single daily SOU

I wonder how prepared they were for the border release

Will LCY return this summer?

bmaviscount is offline  
Old 7th Jul 2020, 23:20
  #214 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: jersey
Age: 73
Posts: 1,392
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
As prepared as anyone, I think. They have been in discussion with the States of Jersey for a while over the loan etc., so I would expect that they were made aware of what was being planned re. the re-opening. However, will it last now that a Covid case has materialized among the first arrivals ?
kcockayne is offline  
Old 8th Jul 2020, 00:51
  #215 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Londonderry
Posts: 506
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
New site is live. Looks well.

SOU-DUB/MAN due to start on the 31st of August too.
Fly757X is offline  
Old 8th Jul 2020, 08:05
  #216 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: UK
Age: 58
Posts: 2,631
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Noticed that one of the Flybe-branded ATR72's G-ISLL went to NWI yesterday. For a repaint?
Wycombe is offline  
Old 8th Jul 2020, 08:24
  #217 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: This side of Heaven
Posts: 358
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Wycombe View Post
Noticed that one of the Flybe-branded ATR72's G-ISLL went to NWI yesterday. For a repaint?
Yes. G-ISLK has already been resprayed at NWI and is returning to JER today.
Gurnard is offline  
Old 8th Jul 2020, 08:54
  #218 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: UK
Age: 58
Posts: 2,631
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
G-ISLK has already been resprayed at NWI and is returning to JER today.
It's enroute back to the island currently by the looks.

Lets hope the new colours are a bit more interesting than those on 'LM and 'LN!
Wycombe is offline  
Old 8th Jul 2020, 09:03
  #219 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Outer London
Age: 42
Posts: 506
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by bmaviscount View Post
Will LCY return this summer?
It isnít on the route map so sadly it seems the answer is no.
AirportPlanner1 is offline  
Old 8th Jul 2020, 09:42
  #220 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: uk
Posts: 71
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Has the seasonal services to Newquay ended as well, no mention of them on the website either
rhutch28 is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.