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Old 15th Jan 2018, 14:39
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it's a very well known fact that the CEO is not a fan of the Dash at all
Given the market they operate it, I wonder what else he's thinking on? A fleet roll over to the ATR72? Or has he gotten airline CEO fever and decided the future is jets?
The thing that I didn't understand was they had a new fleet of Q400s they swapped for second hand ones when the money was tight having run our of money operating er....jets! If their market is UK domestic non loco niche regional European, being unable to make money with the Q400 may say more about flybe than the aircraft.
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 14:51
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stating the obvious CEO is female and definitely a she! -
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 15:27
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Do i hear the distant chant of the PC brigade...
Nice knowing you J32
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 15:35
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You'd have to be on a hell of a roll to place an order for 31 new aircraft of any description, or have demonstrated a consistent propensity for making profits. Can't really say Flybe fit into either category at the moment.
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 17:16
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It's got absolutely nothing to do with a 'chant of the PC brigade'!

The fact that 'he' was used twice in the post concerning the CEO of Flybe was incorrect as it's quite well known that the current CEO of Flybe is a 'she' so nothing about being PC regarding the correction.

My boss is a 'she' not a 'he' so I refer to her as such nothing PC about that.

'Nice knowing you Plane Silly' :-)

Perhaps the last word of your username is actually appropriate for you!
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 17:28
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Is the E195 generally an expensive aircraft to operate or is it just the lease costs that BE had that made them lose money?
With the Q400 fleet they replaced more expensive ones with cheaper second hand ones, could they not have done that with the E-jets?

The E175 is often seen on routes that the Q400 can easily do, just with 10 more seats, and the E175 is replacing the E195 on routes that need a jet, but with 30 less seats. From an outsiders view, it doesn't make sense.

What's the second hand market for E195's now the C-series is growing?
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 20:48
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The 195 issue is the lease deal, it is crippling, that's a fact. The 175 lease deal isn't amazing but it's workable - just.
As for the comments about profitability and obtaining the C Series from DC3 Dave, that's not really relevant, the relevance is the lease deal because Flybe wouldn't be purchasing them, if you can get a lease deal for less than the current lease deals then it's a win/win. As for whether the 31 orders ends up at Flybe I very much doubt it. The CS100 holds 108 passengers, the Dash 8 holds 78, that's an increase in capacity of 28%, it would be commercial suicide to put that amount of seats into an already saturated market (because the fleet replacement program will be predominantly be for the Q400's) but then what do I know.
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 21:38
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If Flybe are going to replace the Q400s then it would be with ATRs or Q400s I'd have thought. As for the E195s maybe if Stobart Air buys the remaining ones then possibly Flybe could lease them back at a better deal? At CWL the E195 is quite handy for the likes of Faro Rome and Verona.
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 08:04
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@Canberra

It's all in jest. It's amazing how offended people can be on the internet and thought it's be only a matter of time before someone called J32 out on it.

As the kids say, "Chillax"
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 09:21
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stating the obvious CEO is female and definitely a she! -
Apologies, I had forgotten Saad Haamad had moved on. Christine is of course, a woman.
Personally, I identify as a black lesbian transexual which makes my error even worse.

https://www.flybe.com/media/management-team/
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 10:07
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Originally Posted by caaardiff View Post
Is the E195 generally an expensive aircraft to operate or is it just the lease costs that BE had that made them lose money?
With the Q400 fleet they replaced more expensive ones with cheaper second hand ones, could they not have done that with the E-jets?

The E175 is often seen on routes that the Q400 can easily do, just with 10 more seats, and the E175 is replacing the E195 on routes that need a jet, but with 30 less seats. From an outsiders view, it doesn't make sense.

What's the second hand market for E195's now the C-series is growing?
Flybe were paying about 50% more per month than an average lease for an A320.

An amazing deal made by old Frenchy and his lap dog.
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 11:35
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With Flybe trying to focus ever more on core profitable routes, the ATR or Q400 will surely be a replacement for existing Dash as they are fit for purpose. E195 are departing the scene fairly soon and might not be replaced as I could forsee Flybe exiting the sun routes and they would still have 15 x E175 to continue with high density routes domestically and to cities in mainland Europe. The spanner in the works of course is the charter work that seems to be increasing so god only knows what equipment they would use for this, prime example being E195 SOU - Skiathos!
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 11:37
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... you have to ask who were they leasing them from. my guess would be Walker Trust companies. Offshore.
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 12:10
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I think they'll concentrate the jets on CWL and sun routes out of SOU and EXT and charters. They'll leave the rest to Q400s.
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 12:21
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Once the E195's are gone, the sun routes from SOU could be in trouble as I don't believe the E175 operate all that well in summer due to field performance!?
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 16:25
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Another FlyBE Dash with technical issues today, holding over Belfast Lough. FR24 says G-JECR

Diverted to Prestwick

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/a...-jecr#1024af87

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Old 16th Jan 2018, 17:20
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I flew on G-JECR on Sunday, and there seemed to be an issue with (at least) one of the engines, as they were both shut down and restarted twice before our departure to MAN.
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 17:42
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Divert had nothing to do with engine

Was a flap issue
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 18:14
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Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan View Post
Flybe were paying about 50% more per month than an average lease for an A320.

An amazing deal made by old Frenchy and his lap dog.
I think that's doing a bit of a disservice to French. Over the past 10yrs, the likes of FR and EZY have dumped large numbers of 737/319's onto the second hand market, driving down lease rates on these types which now makes the E95 deal appear expensive.

Some carriers seem quite happy with they E190's, BA, Finnair, and then there are those who were keen to get rid, Virgin Australia, Delta. Even launch customer JetBlue seems to be looking for a way out, reportedly due to their high maintenance cost amongst other reasons. We could see lease rates fall if a similar glut start to appear....mind you, I'm not expecting that to change Flybe's mind.

Oh, and C Series is a pipe dream. Why get rid of one expensive jet, which is too big for the majority of your flights only to replace it with another! I think they've learned their lesson....well I hope so.

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Old 16th Jan 2018, 18:44
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Not a good day for BE

Looks like another full emergency on a Doncaster bound flight, rapid descent to 10,000 feet.
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