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Seems to be across the board on French routes in June.
Toulon down 52%
Rennes down 24%
Nantes down 31%
Lyon - stopped
Limoges down 22%
La Rochelle down 25%
Brest down 70%
Biarritz down 27%
Bergerac down 3%
Bastia down 2%
Avignon down 13%
Toulon down 52%
Rennes down 24%
Nantes down 31%
Lyon - stopped
Limoges down 22%
La Rochelle down 25%
Brest down 70%
Biarritz down 27%
Bergerac down 3%
Bastia down 2%
Avignon down 13%
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There may possibly be less demand on some routes, but on the whole I'd say those reductions will mostly be down to less flights this summer, particularly the larger percentage drops. Loads appear to be high on the flights that I've seen operate.
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EZY flying from there base at Nice to SOU would be excellent as would a similar operation from Palma and several of their other bases but to quote Nice as an alternative to Biarritz is a strange one considering that it's situated on the Atlantic coast of France on the Bay of Biscay and Nice being situated on the French Riviera a distance of 536 miles away from Biarritz so it's not really an ideal alternative although Toulon is only 93 miles from Nice.
The Euro to the Pound, less second home buyers, existing ex Pats selling up and returning home, the onset of leaving the EU, cheaper destinations elsewhere will all contribute to the decline of the majority of the French routes over the next few years.
looking forward Flybe need to refocus and offer more business/city destinations from the regions as well as maintaining there core domestic routes.
The Euro to the Pound, less second home buyers, existing ex Pats selling up and returning home, the onset of leaving the EU, cheaper destinations elsewhere will all contribute to the decline of the majority of the French routes over the next few years.
looking forward Flybe need to refocus and offer more business/city destinations from the regions as well as maintaining there core domestic routes.
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Does anyone know if they have stopped painting their aircraft into the new scheme? Still plenty of q400s in the old scheme, not to mention all the 175s. Some q400s are still in the Brussels airways scheme as well. Rebrand was years ago wasn’t it? It’s not like they have any new aircraft on order either.
Some Q400s are leaving supposedly, others are waiting until Cor D checks to be repainted. The E175s are all fairly new so won't get painted until their first D checks is my guess,sounds bad, but Flybe can't afford to take an aircraft out of service for 3 days to get repainted.
"Flybe Group plc is pleased to announce that today Flybe Limited, a wholly-owned subsidiary, signed an agreement with GOAL German Operating Aircraft Leasing GmbH & Co. KG ("GOAL") (the "Agreement") to extend the leases of five Bombardier Q400 turboprop aircraft, which were otherwise due to expire between August 2018 and January 2019. Flybe will extend the leases on these aircraft with the last aircraft to expire in 2024 for a net cash consideration of $24.3m payable over the term of the leases. The lease extension provides Flybe Limited with immediate benefits, including significantly reduced lease rental payments and reduced cash security deposit requirements."
Deal effects: G-ECOF, G-ECOH, G-ECOI, G-ECOK, G-ECOO according to Planespotters.net Flybe Fleet
The four Embraer E175 aircraft due for delivery in 2019 would likely be the first E175s in purple.
According to Jethro's, 30 out of the 54 Q400s are in Purple so more than half.
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I don't think you're quite right about this and think it's a common and understandable misconception.
Airline conditions of carriage do not normally OBLIGE an airline to actually convey you anywhere, ever.
Please read some actual contracts of carriage and please cite some examples where I'm wrong. I don't believe you will find them.
Policy may advise them to accommodate you but contractually they owe you nothing beyond a refund.
Think the whole point of EU261 is to address this, and wouldn't have been contemplated otherwise.
Airline conditions of carriage do not normally OBLIGE an airline to actually convey you anywhere, ever.
Please read some actual contracts of carriage and please cite some examples where I'm wrong. I don't believe you will find them.
Policy may advise them to accommodate you but contractually they owe you nothing beyond a refund.
Think the whole point of EU261 is to address this, and wouldn't have been contemplated otherwise.
Other then general contract law, which obliges them to uphold their end of the contract and you to uphold yours. Lot's of contracts include unenforceable and possibly illegal terms, though they generally get around this with disclaimer clauses, e.g. 'your statutory rights are unaffected...'. The purpose of EU261 was to create a putative measure whereby in addition to paying actual damages for failure to comply with the contract, e.g. cancelling your flight at the last minute because they decided it wasn't financially beneficial to operate it. In this case they would be in breach of contract and liable to pay for actual damages. The compensation is on top of this.
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EZY flying from there base at Nice to SOU would be excellent as would a similar operation from Palma and several of their other bases but to quote Nice as an alternative to Biarritz is a strange one considering that it's situated on the Atlantic coast of France on the Bay of Biscay and Nice being situated on the French Riviera a distance of 536 miles away from Biarritz so it's not really an ideal alternative although Toulon is only 93 miles from Nice.
The Euro to the Pound, less second home buyers, existing ex Pats selling up and returning home, the onset of leaving the EU, cheaper destinations elsewhere will all contribute to the decline of the majority of the French routes over the next few years.
looking forward Flybe need to refocus and offer more business/city destinations from the regions as well as maintaining there core domestic routes.
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175/Q400
The Q400s should be staying in the fleet now, the leases were extended. Unless G-ECOI and G-ECOK head back to Brussels I would anticipate seeing those painted this winter along with some others such as G-JECP which will return to service in September/October. Although with the change in branding and the removal of the Yellow and Red I'd expect to see a revised scheme - which along with it being summer and aircraft not typically painted in the summer months, may also be a reason for a lack of repaints recently. They'd only be done as and when required; Flybe don't have the 'spare cash' to throw around repainting aircraft unnecessarily and as Airsouthwest says... a repaint will take the best part of a week, Flybe don't have the slack in their operation for that in the summer.
"Flybe Group plc is pleased to announce that today Flybe Limited, a wholly-owned subsidiary, signed an agreement with GOAL German Operating Aircraft Leasing GmbH & Co. KG ("GOAL") (the "Agreement") to extend the leases of five Bombardier Q400 turboprop aircraft, which were otherwise due to expire between August 2018 and January 2019. Flybe will extend the leases on these aircraft with the last aircraft to expire in 2024 for a net cash consideration of $24.3m payable over the term of the leases. The lease extension provides Flybe Limited with immediate benefits, including significantly reduced lease rental payments and reduced cash security deposit requirements."
Deal effects: G-ECOF, G-ECOH, G-ECOI, G-ECOK, G-ECOO according to Planespotters.net Flybe Fleet
The four Embraer E175 aircraft due for delivery in 2019 would likely be the first E175s in purple.
According to Jethro's, 30 out of the 54 Q400s are in Purple so more than half.
"Flybe Group plc is pleased to announce that today Flybe Limited, a wholly-owned subsidiary, signed an agreement with GOAL German Operating Aircraft Leasing GmbH & Co. KG ("GOAL") (the "Agreement") to extend the leases of five Bombardier Q400 turboprop aircraft, which were otherwise due to expire between August 2018 and January 2019. Flybe will extend the leases on these aircraft with the last aircraft to expire in 2024 for a net cash consideration of $24.3m payable over the term of the leases. The lease extension provides Flybe Limited with immediate benefits, including significantly reduced lease rental payments and reduced cash security deposit requirements."
Deal effects: G-ECOF, G-ECOH, G-ECOI, G-ECOK, G-ECOO according to Planespotters.net Flybe Fleet
The four Embraer E175 aircraft due for delivery in 2019 would likely be the first E175s in purple.
According to Jethro's, 30 out of the 54 Q400s are in Purple so more than half.
The only point of note I have is that they still seem to have 3-5 aircraft not in service at any one time and I realise Jet2, TUI, Thomas Cook are no different with their spares but I was at BHX the other day and one DH8D flew at 1pm another came in at the time and that was it for the day. Another DH8D was in MAEL and the most surprising aspect is the 175 in maintenance in Exeter from 2 August at the very time those extra 10 seats would be filled. The aircraft are definitely utilised more but they still seem to have quite a few "spare" or "parked" or in maintenance.
The good news is that they seem to have fewer cancellations.
They seemed to have picked up some more winter ski work at BHX - certainly the Lleida on a Sunday which operated BHX-ILD-BRS-ILD-BHX l a few years ago before Jet2 EMA took it, seems to be back and the BHX Sunday Chambery which was Titan last winter fits into the 195 schedule which does not operate the CDG and it appears it is going to operate BHX - CMF-SOU-CMF-BHX but not yet confirmed. They have always had both winter and summer charters but some seem to come and go but these two appear to heading back.
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Flybe - Stobart Air relationship
Two observations:
1) The wet lease contract at Isle of Man ends in March 2019 when flybe takes over with their own Q400s.
2) No flights are currently bookable on flybe.com from Southend after March 2019.
Has anyone further info how their relationship continues beyond March? Or will we maybe see a new Stobart bid for flybe in the meantime?
1) The wet lease contract at Isle of Man ends in March 2019 when flybe takes over with their own Q400s.
2) No flights are currently bookable on flybe.com from Southend after March 2019.
Has anyone further info how their relationship continues beyond March? Or will we maybe see a new Stobart bid for flybe in the meantime?
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Two observations:
1) The wet lease contract at Isle of Man ends in March 2019 when flybe takes over with their own Q400s.
2) No flights are currently bookable on flybe.com from Southend after March 2019.
Has anyone further info how their relationship continues beyond March? Or will we maybe see a new Stobart bid for flybe in the meantime?
1) The wet lease contract at Isle of Man ends in March 2019 when flybe takes over with their own Q400s.
2) No flights are currently bookable on flybe.com from Southend after March 2019.
Has anyone further info how their relationship continues beyond March? Or will we maybe see a new Stobart bid for flybe in the meantime?
Two observations:
1) The wet lease contract at Isle of Man ends in March 2019 when flybe takes over with their own Q400s.
2) No flights are currently bookable on flybe.com from Southend after March 2019.
Has anyone further info how their relationship continues beyond March? Or will we maybe see a new Stobart bid for flybe in the meantime?
1) The wet lease contract at Isle of Man ends in March 2019 when flybe takes over with their own Q400s.
2) No flights are currently bookable on flybe.com from Southend after March 2019.
Has anyone further info how their relationship continues beyond March? Or will we maybe see a new Stobart bid for flybe in the meantime?
The Stobart SEN franchise agreement commenced on 5 June 2014. It was a five year agreement, so due to expire next summer unless extended. I can't find any reference to an extension, or maybe I am missing something here ?
I imagine there must have been some interesting recent conversations between Stobart and Flybe concerning the poor reliability of the two E195s leased by Stobart from Flybe, and the late delivery (nearly one month late) by Flybe of the first of the E195s purchased by Stobart.
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I imagine there must have been some interesting recent conversations between Stobart and Flybe concerning the poor reliability of the two E195s leased by Stobart from Flybe, and the late delivery (nearly one month late) by Flybe of the first of the E195s purchased by Stobart.
Cazza fly
This is the text of the RNS dated May 2017 announcing the leasing of the first two aircraft. No mention of the lessor here.
Flybe Group PLC ("Flybe") announces that an agreement has been signed with Stobart Air Unlimited (trading as Stobart Air), a subsidiary of Stobart Group Limited ("Stobart"), to provide two Embraer E195 aircraft under a combined commercial arrangement lasting up to 20 months subject to earlier termination options. The two aircraft will be based at London Southend Airport. Flybe will initially operate the aircraft on behalf of Stobart under a crewed "wet lease" arrangement migrating to Stobart operating the aircraft itself no later than 1st January 2018. The aircraft will be operated in Flybe branding under the existing Franchise Agreement between the two companies.
It is the three aircraft that Stobart (in the form of its leasing company Propius) have purchased that will come direct from the leasing company GOAL GmbH. I don't know whether Flybe's lease on these aircraft was expiring or whether it is extinguished as a function of the purchase. And yes it is the aircraft that arrived late that is the first of the three.
This is the text of the RNS dated May 2017 announcing the leasing of the first two aircraft. No mention of the lessor here.
Flybe Group PLC ("Flybe") announces that an agreement has been signed with Stobart Air Unlimited (trading as Stobart Air), a subsidiary of Stobart Group Limited ("Stobart"), to provide two Embraer E195 aircraft under a combined commercial arrangement lasting up to 20 months subject to earlier termination options. The two aircraft will be based at London Southend Airport. Flybe will initially operate the aircraft on behalf of Stobart under a crewed "wet lease" arrangement migrating to Stobart operating the aircraft itself no later than 1st January 2018. The aircraft will be operated in Flybe branding under the existing Franchise Agreement between the two companies.
It is the three aircraft that Stobart (in the form of its leasing company Propius) have purchased that will come direct from the leasing company GOAL GmbH. I don't know whether Flybe's lease on these aircraft was expiring or whether it is extinguished as a function of the purchase. And yes it is the aircraft that arrived late that is the first of the three.
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This is the text of the RNS dated May 2017 announcing the leasing of the first two aircraft. No mention of the lessor here.
Flybe Group PLC ("Flybe") announces that an agreement has been signed with Stobart Air Unlimited (trading as Stobart Air), a subsidiary of Stobart Group Limited ("Stobart"), to provide two Embraer E195 aircraft under a combined commercial arrangement lasting up to 20 months subject to earlier termination options. The two aircraft will be based at London Southend Airport. Flybe will initially operate the aircraft on behalf of Stobart under a crewed "wet lease" arrangement migrating to Stobart operating the aircraft itself no later than 1st January 2018. The aircraft will be operated in Flybe branding under the existing Franchise Agreement between the two companies.
It is the three aircraft that Stobart (in the form of its leasing company Propius) have purchased that will come direct from the leasing company GOAL GmbH. I don't know whether Flybe's lease on these aircraft was expiring or whether it is extinguished as a function of the purchase. And yes it is the aircraft that arrived late that is the first of the three.
This is the text of the RNS dated May 2017 announcing the leasing of the first two aircraft. No mention of the lessor here.
Flybe Group PLC ("Flybe") announces that an agreement has been signed with Stobart Air Unlimited (trading as Stobart Air), a subsidiary of Stobart Group Limited ("Stobart"), to provide two Embraer E195 aircraft under a combined commercial arrangement lasting up to 20 months subject to earlier termination options. The two aircraft will be based at London Southend Airport. Flybe will initially operate the aircraft on behalf of Stobart under a crewed "wet lease" arrangement migrating to Stobart operating the aircraft itself no later than 1st January 2018. The aircraft will be operated in Flybe branding under the existing Franchise Agreement between the two companies.
It is the three aircraft that Stobart (in the form of its leasing company Propius) have purchased that will come direct from the leasing company GOAL GmbH. I don't know whether Flybe's lease on these aircraft was expiring or whether it is extinguished as a function of the purchase. And yes it is the aircraft that arrived late that is the first of the three.
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