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Old 4th Jul 2020, 14:00
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ACL Slots W20

Thought I'd summarise the relevant ACL slot requests that concern SOU for W20. Am aware some people have previously found some of these, but it looks as if Blue Islands are planning on having a base of sorts at SOU and have pointed themselves squarely at Eastern. I would have thought them focusing on EXT first where there is no competition would perhaps be a less risky endeavour for an airline that currently only has 5 aircraft but I guess we will have to see how it all plays out... Still quiet on the international route front but I am less surprised than many by this as most airlines primary focus at the moment is likely to get their core routes up and running and hopefully making some money again before looking into starting or resuming other routes.

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- Eastern have slots for a 4 daily (23 weekly) SOU-MAN service on an AT7.
- Blue Islands have slots for a 3 daily (21 weekly) SOU-MAN service on an AT7

DUB:

- Eastern have 13 weekly new slots. Commentary mentions a year round SOU service. If MME continues 6 weekly over the winter that suggests that SOU will be 7 weekly.
- Blue Islands also have 14 weekly slots for SOU-DUB.
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Old 4th Jul 2020, 14:40
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No upping of BHD flights?
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Old 4th Jul 2020, 16:15
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Originally Posted by Alteagod
No upping of BHD flights?
looks like BHD to SOU fights have changed from BAE Jetstream 41 to ATR 72-600
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 07:22
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New routes- as mentioned on here before. Blue Islands to MAN and DUB from 31st August.
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 09:08
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Eastern Airways just announced 1x daily Southampton - Dublin route is now on sale with flights starting August 17th


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So 2 operators on both MAN and DUB! Well that’s going to end well. More airline management genius on show here it seems.
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 09:20
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Originally Posted by Atlantic Explorer
So 2 operators on both MAN and DUB! Well that’s going to end well. More airline management genius on show here it seems.
Well it remains a possibility that Blue Islands will pull off some of these SOU routes, given that stonking £10m loan from Jersey and the master plan.

It does remind me of the BE/LM bloodbath in Scotland. But what do you expect 'airline management genuis' to do? Sit still and only cherry pick unserved routes? No. Competition is inevitable and they just have to roll with it.
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Well it remains a possibility that Blue Islands will pull off some of these SOU routes, given that stonking £10m loan from Jersey and the master plan.

It does remind me of the BE/LM bloodbath in Scotland. But what do you expect 'airline management genuis' to do? Sit still and only cherry pick unserved routes? No. Competition is inevitable and they just have to roll with it.
It seems almost inconceivable that any airline chooses to go into competition with another operator given the present financial and economic crisis we find ourselves in at the moment, especially small airlines. Why risk losing a shed load of cash on competing routes when you could operate on other unserved routes with a chance you could make them work with no competition.
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 11:54
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Or, with that £10 million stashed away, you could take on & attempt to beat the competitor &, eventually, have the route for yourself. Who knows ? I tend to think that , having got a "bail out" & agreement from & with the States, Blue Island will concentrate on Jersey routes. That is what the loan (will it ever be paid back ?) is all about. Or , so the States of Jersey think.
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 11:59
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The thing to remember is that before Covid and the collapse of Flybe, SOU-MAN and SOU-DUB were trunk routes with up to four or five flights a day in each direction, and good loads on those flights too.
Obviously air travel demand is low at the moment, but it's increasing slowly. As long as both airlines increase capacity in line with demand I don't see why there can't be room on these routes for both of them. Even if they both offer two flights each a day that'll still be less capacity than when Flybe were operating.

Looking at the flight timings on the Blue Islands website, it appears that an aircraft may be based at SOU as there's a 0730 departure to MAN.

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Old 8th Jul 2020, 12:50
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Originally Posted by Atlantic Explorer
So 2 operators on both MAN and DUB! Well thatís going to end well. More airline management genius on show here it seems.
I agree it does seem strange. Itís almost like LM, T3 and BI are all trying to scare each other off so they can assume the role BE had of complete control over SOU. It would make much more sense if they just picked the routes that served their existing operations. So LM doing the Scottish routes, BI the Jersey route and T3 the midlands. Ultimately none of these operators have the scale to provide what BE offered to SOU though, we will have to wait for new operator or EZY to fully fill that void. Obviously this is a while off, but I could see a new operator being formed out off BEís ashes with 20 or so q400s.
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 13:20
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Loganair CEO said publicly last month that LM have no intention of trying to be a major player at SOU on routes other than Scotland or Newcastle
Jump to minute 24 or 25 of the video recording
https://www.anna.aero/2020/06/15/30-...key-questions/
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 22:54
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
Loganair CEO said publicly last month that LM have no intention of trying to be a major player at SOU on routes other than Scotland or Newcastle
Jump to minute 24 or 25 of the video recording
https://www.anna.aero/2020/06/15/30-...key-questions/

SOU needs a based airline to serve all their routes with an early morning departure
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 23:47
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Originally Posted by gkmeech
SOU needs a based airline to serve all their routes with an early morning departure
Eastern are supposedly basing up to 5 aircraft and Blue Islands with 1. Could do with KLM returning with a night stopper for early departure to AMS!
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Originally Posted by gkmeech
SOU needs a based airline to serve all their routes with an early morning departure
Before Covid, Loganair's proposed summer schedule had an aircraft overnighting at SOU to operate an early-morning EDI. Obviously all bets are off at the moment but I'd like to think they'll still have the intention to do that at some point as things recover.
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I remember Logan stating that too. It would make sense to do that. It's a good route - usually well filled. Those are the good bets to invest in now.
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 11:48
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Originally Posted by The Nutts Mutts
Airport opening hours will be 0700-1900 Sun-Fri, 0700-1500 Sat as of the 13th July.
How are the new operating hours likely to impact on any current and future new routes? Surely going to be a massively limiting factor moving forward, once you add in the possibility of slot delays, fog etc.
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Still a long way from slot delays! very much in recovery mode, sure the hours will extend as traffic picks up
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Originally Posted by Dropoffcharge
How are the new operating hours likely to impact on any current and future new routes? Surely going to be a massively limiting factor moving forward, once you add in the possibility of slot delays, fog etc.
would imagine operating hours are currently very much dependent on demand. If the volume is there, Iím sure the airport will revert to normal timings!
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There's an article about the Blue Islands routes in the Daily Echo today- apparently one aircraft is being based at SOU with another aircraft and more routes to follow once demand improves.
Good news for the airport, here's hoping it doesn't take too long for it to happen.
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