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Old 9th Feb 2018, 21:03
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I think Rivet Joint must be down the pub celebrating cause I'm absolutely gob smacked that he hasn't made an appearance here today as I was so looking forward to his response regarding the news of the departure of his much loved David Lees :-)
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Old 10th Feb 2018, 00:30
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Celebrate good times come on!

So surprised by this, I honestly thought he would have stayed until the nursing home came to pick him up. Perhaps more surprising is the fact that another airport (let alone a larger one!) came calling. Have they not checked his CV? He moved from SOU to LHR in the past, and soon came back with his tail between his legs. What has he achieved in the 7 years since he came back to warrant being head hunted I wonder? As far as I can tell, the 2007 masterplan (that he spearheaded) has only come in use as a doorstop. Last rant over

Hopefully this is behind the delayed announcement of the Autumn investment. The next MD hire is crucial to SOU's future in my eyes, hopefully it is someone young, ambitious and male (sorry if the latter offends anyone). EZY are knocking on the door, it would be really great if the next MD greeted them rather than ignoring their existence like the last MD did to Vueling, Volotea etc. Onwards and upwards (hopefully!).
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Old 10th Feb 2018, 07:39
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Looks like a busy Ski Saturday at SOU today with BEE operating 2 x GVA, 2 x LYS and 3 x CMF. Pretty sure some of those were not originally timetabled and are half-term additions.
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Surely any MD delivers an investment program determined by his/her employers. For all I know he may have moved on out of frustration at the failure to authorise the investment he saw was needed.
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 00:18
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That's a very good point actually and something that never crossed my mind, it does make you think.
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Old 13th Feb 2018, 13:32
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Just been looking at Easy jet Geneva route in December and trying to work out the load factor , its a bit tricky as Flybe lumped in there as well

Both airlines operated 8 flights so being generous and giving Flybe an average load of 60 pax per flight that leaves Easy jet with an average of 133 pax per flight on a A320 , 180 / 186 seater

All guess work to a degree though !
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Old 13th Feb 2018, 13:46
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From what I have been told on the easy GVA route, Tue has been mixed with some loads as low as 80ish whereas Thur & Sun have been consistently busy and achieving between 140-180. All in all a successful first season to date and would imagine a Saturday service would be popular as this is changeover day in the ski resorts

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Old 14th Feb 2018, 16:03
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Regarding the EZY GVA route from SOU, what strikes me is the incredible 426% increase in pax numbers on that route from December 2016 to 2017. I think this just shows the potential available from SOU that an airline such as EZY can unlock with the right routes, fares and marketing.
What's also interesting is that Flybe don't appear to be suffering from the competition, in actual fact they've doubled their numbers on the route since the year before too. Having another carrier on the route increases visibility and footfall, and Flybe may be benefiting from EZY passengers who go one way with one carrier and return with the other, for example.
No matter what the finer details are, it's great to see such a large increase in numbers on that route and hopefully provides food for thought to EZY for the future.
As another example of competition at SOU increasing a market for both carriers, look at the growth in numbers to/from AMS over the last couple of years.
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 21:47
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426% increase in pax numbers on that route from December 2016 to 2017
Don't forget there would not have been many flights in December itself, as the ski season doesn't really start in earnest until mid-month (the first EZS flight was on the 16th), so you're probably comparing maybe 3 or 4 A320 loads plus a similar no. of BEE Q400 loads in 2017, versus just the Q400 loads in 2016. In that case a big increase should have been expected.

January YoY will be much more representative.

Seems like good news though.
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Old 15th Feb 2018, 14:06
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Lolo flights have added another new Greek destination in September with Kalamata being offered

3 flights are on sale on a Monday afternoon , no idea who is operating at the moment but the flight gets back into SOU at 2230
Flybe at the moment have an Alicante flight at about the same time but these are still on sale so it might not be them
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Old 15th Feb 2018, 15:37
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This must be on the absolute limit on distance that can be flown on a commercial basis from Southampton.I guess there will be payload restrictions. There would be many other destinations from SOU if there was runway length available.On a separate note there is still silence on any much needed airside development,with SOU moving forward with passenger numbers surely this must be the time to expand?
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Old 15th Feb 2018, 15:47
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You're of course right that the large percentage increase comes from a low baseline. My point (although perhaps not worded well) was that I think seeing the route go from circa 500 pax in December '16 to over 3000 in December '17 is a good thing for the airport and gives an indication of what may be possible with competition on routes from SOU, particularly competition from established carriers with strong brands and reasonable fares. I'd expect an increase of similar magnitude in January.

I just hope easyJet are happy with the route and bring it back for next winter. I suspect that many potential customers would have already booked flights from BOH and the London airports by the time the SOU route was announced last July, so having the flights on sale earlier for next time should see stronger forward bookings. A Saturday flight would also be a big bonus if they introduce one. Whatever, it's just good that they're here for now!
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Old 19th Feb 2018, 19:22
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Fly LoLo summer 2019

The Fly LoLo website has now been updated with summer 2019 flights on sale from SOU, and compared to their initial offering of Skiathos this year it's fair to say that their program will expand somewhat!
I'm guessing that there may be some tinkering still to come, but at the moment their flying program for the school summer holiday period (Jul-Sep) 2019 is as follows:
Monday AM Kefalonia
Monday PM Corfu Jul & Aug, Kalamata Sept
Tuesday AM Murcia
Tuesday PM Skiathos
Tuesday overnight, returning to SOU 0630 Wed Salonika
Wednesday AM Almeria
Wednesday PM nothing showing at the moment
Wednesday o/night Kos
Thursday AM Tivat (Montenegro)
Thursday PM Pristina
Friday AM Skiathos
Friday PM Split
Friday o/night Bari
Saturday AM Murcia
Saturday PM Corfu
Saturday o/night Kos
Sunday AM Bourgas
Sunday PM Almeria


This looks like a one aircraft operation, for example maybe a leased Flybe E195 as planned for the Skiathos route this year. It's a full schedule which is great aircraft utilisation, particularly the overnight trips ex SOU which neatly get round the airport closing times, but it will be vulnerable to tech or ATC delays.
An interesting development.
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Old 19th Feb 2018, 19:49
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that looks interesting but rather an adventurous series

poor thing needs some downtime during the week for a bit of mx and TLC if its just one a/c!

looks abit like something from amber air days (2 x 737-200's)
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Old 19th Feb 2018, 22:45
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Average utilisation for an airframe. I assume a replacement aircraft due tech issues is available from somewhere?
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 00:49
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Probably more efficient if Flybe take responsibility for providing a backup aircraft across their entire operation than Lolo chartering a 2nd aircraft.
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 01:01
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I've always considered that many of those destinations were actually out of reach from Southampton until the Skiathos flight was announced for this year.

What surprises me are some of those planned routes such as Pristina and Tivat who would have ever thought that those destinations alone would ever be flown from SOU.

With such a variety of planned destinations it does make you wonder why no LCC hasn't already looked into operating something similar from SOU!

Just out of curiosity can a A319/320 be capable of flying non stop from SOU to those destinations further afield such as the Greek islands and Bulgaria?
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 01:05
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An interesting programme there from FlyLoLo. All seaside resorts with a bit of niche about them - 'bucket, spade and Guardian' if I were to coin a phrase. The one outlier is Pristina. Is there a large Kosovan community in Southampton?
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 06:33
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SEN has just seen air malta KM go head to head with EZY from there with alot of flights per week to Malta -

some flights op via catania and cagliari - opening up new nice destinations
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 07:40
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What surprises me are some of those planned routes such as Pristina and Tivat
Not so sure about the former, but Tivat is in a beautiful part of the world, near to the fjord-like scenery of Kotor, Montenegro. Not far from Dubrovnik, but an interesting alternative destination.

Hoping to head that way myself in just over a month (with BA to DBV).
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