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Old 2nd Mar 2019, 12:32
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Personally, I think that there should be some concern about the Easy jet figures when you consider that their monthly traffic stats for January showed a load factor across their network at 93% - an average of 101 passengers per flight from Southampton falls far short of that.
comparing SOU to Easyís Wider network of long established and well marketed bases? Most of which are capital cities?
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Old 2nd Mar 2019, 12:48
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Yes - why not? That's the alternative use that EZY have for the a/c. The consistent narrative on this thread is that SOU is a peach waiting to be plucked by EZY - these figures don't inspire confidence in that view.
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Old 2nd Mar 2019, 13:10
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Highly likely that all of Flybe's January GVA'a went out on average with 75 out of 78 pax
- it's peak ski time and several large Ski Companies Inghams, Crystal etc take large bulk allocations

EZY's GVA range from 156 seats on A319 to 180/186 seats on the A320 - Their 3 weekly flights are a mix of the smaller A319 and the larger A320
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Old 2nd Mar 2019, 13:39
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Actual loads as follows:

EasyJet carried 3398 of the SOU total over 28 flights, giving an average of 121 pax per flight.
Flybe carried 1237 pax on 24 flights, giving an average of 52 pax per flight.

Last January the easyJet average was 117 per flight, and the Flybe average was 70 per flight.

Flybe appear to be feeling the effects of the competition now as their loads are considerably lower this season.

No BOH figures for comparison yet, but their January average last year was 122 per flight.
For info, this January SEN averaged 114 per flight based on flightaware and CAA data. Other airports ranged from mid 130s to low 140s.
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Old 2nd Mar 2019, 13:52
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Well there you have it the exact figures as posted above

Some of you need to take your blood pressure pills , itís nothing to get that worked up about

The drama with the diversions actually happened in February so those figures when published may or may not be taken into account
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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 23:28
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After the announcement of the new Aurigny service to Guernsey, Iíve been looking at how many flights will be on offer between SOU and the Channel Islands in summer 19.
Fridays appear to be the busiest day when there are planned to be 28 flights to/from the three islands:
4 Aurigny Guernsey,
10 Blue Islands Guernsey,
8 Blue Islands Jersey,
2 Flybe Jersey,
4 Aurigny Alderney.

Auringy appear to increase to 12 daily flights to/from Alderney over some weekends in August, increasing the total to 36 flights on those Fridays. Quite a number of flights on offer to the Islands this summer!

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Old 4th Mar 2019, 16:22
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Call me cynical but the departures of KLM/AerLingus might just be the decks being cleared before a LCC comes in next year. Of course Iím sure I am completely wrong but it does fit with the expansion plans and an airport with VS/BE, Aurigny, LCC and a bit of Volotea/Flylolo wonít leave room for much else!
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Old 4th Mar 2019, 16:40
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Hmm not sure, why would the airport voluntarily get rid of traffic, passengers and revenue?
Southampton isnít Heathrow, itís not slot or capacity restricted. Iím sure any additional carriers could have been accommodated even with KLM and Aer Lingus still there.
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Old 4th Mar 2019, 17:00
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Originally Posted by The Nutts Mutts
Hmm not sure, why would the airport voluntarily get rid of traffic, passengers and revenue?
Southampton isnít Heathrow, itís not slot or capacity restricted. Iím sure any additional carriers could have been accommodated even with KLM and Aer Lingus still there.
You are probably right, just a thought that popped in to my head that it might have suited both parties. Ams could be filled by a LCC and Cork services via the new Connect tie in with Stobart
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Old 4th Mar 2019, 17:25
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Given the P2P demand on SOU-AMS Iíd like to think that if SOU gets a Loco thatís one of the routes theyíd do.
On the Cork thread there was surprise expressed at the dropping of ORK-SOU as their perception was that the route had been performing well and the reasons for it (aircraft reshuffle etc) donít appear clear at the moment. The optimist in me hopes that Flybe/Virgin Connect pick this up as they already operate to Cork from Cardiff, freeing up the Aer Lingus aircraft at Cork.
If a reduction was necessary Iím surprised it wasnít a trimming of off-season capacity as in the summer those flights were chocka.
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Old 4th Mar 2019, 17:41
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Any idea of the interview with the head of passenger operations today on ITV Meridian news at the airport , says all will be revealed on Wednesday on the airport Twitter page
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Old 4th Mar 2019, 17:47
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Originally Posted by MARKEYD
Any idea of the interview with the head of passenger operations today on ITV Meridian news at the airport , says all will be revealed on Wednesday on the airport Twitter page
Another coffee shop!
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Old 4th Mar 2019, 17:58
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The loss of KLM and Air Lingus is some blow to Southampton expansion,it seems one step forward and two back!.The plans for expansion have not even been approved yet!
If and when they are approved,it's going to take some time before the airport gets increased traffic .This is only if Easy or other big carriers are attracted,it's not a forgone conclusion,so let's not jump ahead just yet.
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Originally Posted by RW20
The loss of KLM and Air Lingus is some blow to Southampton expansion,it seems one step forward and two back!.The plans for expansion have not even been approved yet!
If and when they are approved,it's going to take some time before the airport gets increased traffic .This is only if Easy or other big carriers are attracted,it's not a forgone conclusion,so let's not jump ahead just yet.
You would however hope that the airport are already actively seeking a loco as the MD has publicly stated that a longer runway will be ready for S20, and with growth aspirations in the public domain, new investment is not going to be built to lie under utilised!
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 07:34
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Flybe shareholders voted to accept the deal yesterday - We will have to wait now to see if Virgin Connect remains loyal to SOU
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 08:11
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Originally Posted by rog747
Flybe shareholders voted to accept the deal yesterday - We will have to wait now to see if Virgin Connect remains loyal to SOU
With SOU being its largest base (by routes) and one of the most profitable, you would hope that it has a strong future in any plans for the new business. With the code share announced yesterday by VS/KLM/AF/Delta, this could continue to see good numbers from the airport to the hubs of AMS/CDG/MAN etc. However I can foresee regional France and the sun destinations being reduced as not core business for the new model.
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 08:24
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I wonder if the VS/DL code share deal with KLM/AF includes Virgin Connect feeding pax from say SOU EXT BHX and NWI to AMS and CDG on to their long haul routes?
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 08:39
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Originally Posted by rog747
I wonder if the VS/DL code share deal with KLM/AF includes Virgin Connect feeding pax from say SOU EXT BHX and NWI to AMS and CDG on to their long haul routes?
I believe flybe already has that arrangement in place at Southampton
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Originally Posted by MARKEYD
Any idea of the interview with the head of passenger operations today on ITV Meridian news at the airport , says all will be revealed on Wednesday on the airport Twitter page
Itís an interesting one as, to my knowledge, the airport havenít released social media Ďteasersí for anything before. When new routes have been announced quite often the airlines have announced them before the airport has. See Aurigny last week, for example.
My prediction is for one of the following:
An announcement of the terminal extension;
A new route (or possibly routes) for summer 19;
A new burger in the lounge for a limited time only;
Fresh citrus urinal cakes for the landslide gentsí toilet.
Cue crazy speculation/SOU bashing/unashamed trolling!
(...basically the common themes on this thread!)
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 09:31
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I wonder if the VS/DL code share deal with KLM/AF includes Virgin Connect feeding pax from say SOU EXT BHX and NWI to AMS and CDG on to their long haul routes?
They aren't mentioned in the AF/KLM press release.

https://www.airfranceklm.com/en/news...re-partnership
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