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Old 4th Mar 2017, 17:49
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I too wonder if a special APD cut can happen to help the routes as seen as they are touted as being valuable links, or does that only apply to Belfast and their 'special situation', you know, where they are trying to stem the flow of passengers to a larger southern airport. Hang on, that sounds familiar as it happens.......
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Old 4th Mar 2017, 17:59
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Should they prehaps of left SFO and just focused on a decent BOS service. Frequency attracts higher yield passengers. Their fares were actually competitive.

Was it a rushed reaction to TCX?

I don't see APD going anywhere, lot of death and going to be a lot more over next few years.
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Old 4th Mar 2017, 18:11
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It's been touted that it's actually BOS that's the issue. Maybe a decent 5 weekly SFO as seen as it's been in the press many times about being a valuable business link for the digital sector, and leave BOS to TCX for the leisure offering.
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Old 4th Mar 2017, 18:24
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Apparently VLM are going to resume their Manchester-Antwerp route with the F50:

VLM Airlines: Antwerpen blijft belangrijke basis | Luchtvaartnieuws

According to news agency Belga allow connections from Antwerp including Manchester
What are we going to wager on it lasting this time, 3 months? (Or is that still too optimistic?)

They also aim to add Manchester-Maribor with A320 later on when their A340/A320 base opens there.
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Old 4th Mar 2017, 18:35
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?Edinburgh is fastest growing UK airport for international passengers | Edinburgh Airport

Interesting article. While EDI is heralding they are the fastest growing airport percentage wise, Manchester was actually fastest based on actual number of passengers added, which to me, is pretty impressive.
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Old 4th Mar 2017, 18:47
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Is this going to have an impact on BA's plans for MAN?

Late last year the soundings were that BA was planning a comeback in a big way.
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Old 4th Mar 2017, 18:55
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Antwerp

How many times has this route been tried and dumped?

Antwerp is the European centre for diamonds, but unfortunately unlike its precious commodity, the Antwerp route does not seem to be 'forever'.
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Is this going to have an impact on BA's plans for MAN?
There aren't any BA plans for MAN.
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Old 4th Mar 2017, 19:23
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Spent November in the USA its so expensive now, only petrol cheap. Maybe in time the pound will recover.
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You're quite right, of course, but there's no harm in bigging yourself up bit!

I also agree that the relentless increase in UK-origin PAX will grind to a halt, and not just to the USA. As the fall in the £ works through into holiday prices, that second or third holiday may have to be given up. Even this summer there may be less call for peak season extra flights using wet-leased a/c.
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Antwerp:

How many times has this route been tried and dumped?

Antwerp is the European centre for diamonds, but unfortunately unlike its precious commodity, the Antwerp route does not seem to be 'forever'.
I used to use this route quite a bit a few years ago when it had the advantage of being the last flight to Belgium, at 1930, and it was usually about half-full on a Fokker 50. Flights back on a Sunday often only had about 15 passengers though. Shame it stopped, as Antwerp airport is fantastic with check in 15 minutes before boarding; on arrival you can be on the taxi rank in five minutes after stepping off the plane. Let's see what the new timetable - if it happens - will bring.
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If things are looking tight on UK-US, running an A333 on MAN-JFK rather than the planned B752 seems like something that might need revising? A shame Delta are rewarding long seeving staff with the sack given the B767/B757 might be a better fit than anything Virgin have for 2018! Coupled with Norwegian not taking the plunge, the chance is for TCX to strengthen their position in the leisure space as Delta exit and American continue to drift.
Whatever happens, BA is in no way the answer IMHO. Virgin B757 lease perhaps? Daily A333 for JFK in Feb seems fragile.
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Old 5th Mar 2017, 02:42
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Virgin 333 to JFK doesn't start until the 25th May.
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Old 5th Mar 2017, 03:29
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The Virgin A330 to JFK is only daily from about mid July to September. Before and after those months is now mostly 6 weekly.

Have there actually been any announcements about what's happening to JFK for the winter ? All we know at the moment is that the VS A330 ends on 28Oct, and DL staff are apparently being laid off.
GDS still shows a daily DL 757 from 29Oct - as does the Delta website. Is it possible DL will re-employ staff nearer the time on seasonal contracts to handle the winter 757 ops ? Or with the deepening DL/VS partnership perhaps VS staff are going to take on the roles of the displaced DL staff, thereby saving costs.

Or could it be there will be nothing from VS/DL for JFK after 29Oct and they are just planning to go summer seasonal ?

Either way it looks like the lower pound is starting to bite into travel plans and there are some challenging times ahead for UK originating traffic to the USA.

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Old 5th Mar 2017, 21:04
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All DL staff given notice, airports and engineering,
Very sad to hear this. Some good engineers there. Anyone taking on apart from Jet2?

Have AA suspended the JFK flight ex MAN after summer or are they just not loaded yet?
My info is that the JFK and ORD will cease from October. But it's old info and the way things are going anything could happen.

There aren't any BA plans for MAN.
What makes you so sure?
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Old 5th Mar 2017, 21:48
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What makes you so sure?
Lack of suitable a/c for a start.

777 - Too big
787 - Too premium heavy
767 - All long haul versions gone
A321Neo - Maybe, but that's a few years off yet
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Old 5th Mar 2017, 22:02
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My info is that the JFK and ORD will cease from October. But it's old info and the way things are going anything could happen.
Both cease and not return in 2018 or just the suspension previously announced/continuation.

It's been touted that it's actually BOS that's the issue. Maybe a decent 5 weekly SFO as seen as it's been in the press many times about being a valuable business link for the digital sector, and leave BOS to TCX for the leisure offering.
Missed that bit, but agree one or the other.
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Old 6th Mar 2017, 09:16
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The talk was for G-ZZZA/B/C to be reconfigured and moved to MAN.
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Oooh they are getting on a bit
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Old 6th Mar 2017, 10:04
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I think this has been superseded with a selection of the 25 B772 that are going to be refitted to 10 abreast in Y (I think these are all ER models but I might be wrong).
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