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Old 12th Jan 2017, 12:10
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The link isn't behind a pay wall but cannot be copy and pasted due to the format.

Greater Manchester Business Week - 12/01/2017 digital edition

Hopefully link works. Cannot be viewed on smartphone or iPad. Article on about page 15-ish
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Old 12th Jan 2017, 13:03
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Thanks LAX - it worked OK for me.

A wide-ranging and pretty good article. O'Toole uses the word "drag" rather than "stall" for those long haul services but I suppose it gives the same message.

It's not the first service to Boston though (AA seasonal some years ago) and they mention the new Terminal (T2) being open in 2020. I guess it means the first phase.

The article also refers to Easyjet and Monarch basing extra a/c at MAN this summer. Is that still true of Ryanair and Jet2 do we know?
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Old 12th Jan 2017, 13:13
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Jet2 Is 17 aircraft aircraft (but noteworthy that they have an A330 as well as switching all B737-300 to B737-800), Ryanair will have 9 most of the summer but 10 in August, so, an increase of 1 across the board (was 8 summer 9 peak last year).

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Jet2 Is 17 aircraft aircraft (but noteworthy that they have an A330 as well as switching all B737-300 to B737-800), Ryanair will have 9 most of the summer but 10 in August, so, an increase of 1 across the board (was 8 summer 9 peak last year).
Thanks for the update- I thought Jet2 was expected to go up to 17 so was surprised if it was going to remain at 15.
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Old 12th Jan 2017, 14:52
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No it is 17 based, looking at wrong figures before.
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Old 12th Jan 2017, 15:26
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Thanks again LAX.

There is no notam up yet that I can see, but I'm hearing MAN might have indicated they can't accept diversions in the event of snow causing problems further south. Has anyone any info?
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Well LTN is closed at the minute for snow clearance and quite a few aircraft in the hold now.
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Old 12th Jan 2017, 19:20
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Blaming Brexit is just an easy cop out, every man and his dog is using it when things don't look as good as they thought it would.
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MAN now snow closed as well.
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Old 13th Jan 2017, 07:01
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If Manchester doesn't have daily LAX or SFO yet, how on earth do the airport's aspirations extend to San Diego? It's a much smaller market than either of the others. This smacks of just throwing sexy-sounding city names out there in a string for PR purposes.
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Old 13th Jan 2017, 07:32
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If Manchester doesn't have daily LAX or SFO yet, how on earth do the airport's aspirations extend to San Diego? It's a much smaller market than either of the others.
SAN is an attractive leisure destination and cruise departure point in its own right, and probably the airport is targetting no more than a once or twice weekly service from the likes of TCX, TOM or VS.

These days people want point to point and aircraft like the 787 or A330 make it feasible. There's no rule book which says you have to have daily flights to a traditional mega hub before you can launch a direct flight to a smaller attractive destination in the same country. If that were the case MAN would not yet have direct flights to the likes of Goa, Phuket or (soon) Sanya.
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You only have to look at Florida, Miami,Orlando Sanford and maybe soon Fort Lauderdale
California is a big state and very long so several destinations are quite feasible

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Old 13th Jan 2017, 09:01
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Surprised the missing hub Dallas is rarely mentioned. 4th busiest airport in the US. Guess it's due to it being an AA hub and they aren't that interested in MAN-DFW.
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Old 13th Jan 2017, 09:22
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As said, the TCX model (which has been the main driver to the west coast routes being opened) lends itself to having a few flights a week dotted up the state. Being a leisure airline, this means a passenger could fly into say, SAN, and then depart from LAX, or any number of combinations of SAN/LAX/SFO/LAS. I've done it several times, many others do too.

There is no such rule that a particular route MUST be served at least daily to be able to open up another route. If TCX want to cover their bases by opening up flights to several airports on a less than daily basis (TCX being the carrier rumoured for SAN), then that's what they will do, and it seems to be working for them with SFO added this summer and LAX going to 3 weekly (along with the up to 6 weekly LAS).
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Old 13th Jan 2017, 10:36
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Vary good point LAX regarding the flexibility of arriving at and returning from different airports for DIY touring / fly-drive holidays, and opens up opportunities for tour operators with escorted tours as well.

For that reason, I can understand why some expect Virgin to start LAX in due course from MAN after SFO, although these days folk seem more amenable to flying out on one airline and returning on another if the fares are attractive.
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Old 13th Jan 2017, 11:40
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SIA to Houston would be, and is my route to the Loan Star state now. SIA V AA - no brainer nothing more to add ! Immigration easier in Houston as well, in all my recent limited experience (two trips).


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Originally Posted by Mr Mac
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SIA to Houston would be, and is my route to the Loan Star state now. SIA V AA - no brainer nothing more to add ! Immigration easier in Houston as well, in all my recent limited experience (two trips).


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Hi Mr Mac

How were the loads on your two trips (four sectors)?

Numbers didn't look great for November... Looks like some work is required for the MAN-IAH sector.

Best wishes

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Old 13th Jan 2017, 14:26
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It does look like load wise, MAN-IAH doing just ever so slightly better than DME-IAH, even if the figures do look shocking.

Feedback wise, regular pax seem to enjoy the MAN stop over the DME stop, although the lack of F class seems to have upset the regular reward travellers!
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Old 13th Jan 2017, 15:18
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Cheers mate.

Seems the MAN-SIN sector is doing okay, but for the route to have any prospect of going daily the MAN-IAH sector needs to improve.

Would be a great route to have for keeps - particularly if loads get back to the heyday of the early noughties...
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Old 13th Jan 2017, 17:39
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Manchester 20th busiest airport in Europe.

Just behind Oslo by about 200,000 pax, but MAN growth was 10.8% versus Oslo 4.5% so should overtake them this year.

Ahead of Oslo was Palma, Zurich and Dublin, but given their growth much higher, no prospect of overtaking them, so, MAN will have to make do with 19th at best.
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