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Good "points" Roverman and no apologies necessary.
Rail is absolutely critical to the growth of Manchester Airport and should be seen in the same light as investment in the S East.
And this time it was MAG that raised this "not" us !
Rail is absolutely critical to the growth of Manchester Airport and should be seen in the same light as investment in the S East.
And this time it was MAG that raised this "not" us !
Just to re-ignite the "cost of a runway" debate....
Dublin Airport to invest ?320m in second runway - RTÉ News
Remind me..............what's the proposed cost of LHR R3?
Dublin Airport to invest ?320m in second runway - RTÉ News
Remind me..............what's the proposed cost of LHR R3?
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"Hold The Front Page "
....unless my eyes deceived me I spotted a JCB pottering about adjacent to an Airport City sign under Saddams Arch this afternoon.
Lots of digging and mounds of soil.
Are we up finally up and running per chance ?
Lets hope it matches the stratospheric build rate in the City itself.
See below
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....dings-11139392
....unless my eyes deceived me I spotted a JCB pottering about adjacent to an Airport City sign under Saddams Arch this afternoon.
Lots of digging and mounds of soil.
Are we up finally up and running per chance ?
Lets hope it matches the stratospheric build rate in the City itself.
See below
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....dings-11139392
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ETOPS, not really a fair comparison when
Also there's no new terminal, land acquisition costs, residential compensation 25% over market rates or relocation of existing businesses and the runway has been part of the local development plan for decades.
Sounds to me that proper planning by both DAA & the Government has prevented high development costs.
Well done DAA.
land for the development was safeguarded over 40 years ago
Sounds to me that proper planning by both DAA & the Government has prevented high development costs.
Well done DAA.
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You are correvt about the train issue, I live 10 minutes from a station, and it is quicker to walk to the airport than go via Stockport. It's even quicker than getting the 369 bus!
As for T3, it's a shambles, the number of times I've asked "Where is T3?" In T1 is stupid. Why did they close the airside link T1-T3, and why is there nothing landside other than the Spar and overpriced outlets. I miss my Maccas there
As for T3, it's a shambles, the number of times I've asked "Where is T3?" In T1 is stupid. Why did they close the airside link T1-T3, and why is there nothing landside other than the Spar and overpriced outlets. I miss my Maccas there
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T&N - As you well know (from previous exchanges), the points you outline do justify a differential between the costs reported for the two schemes, but not on anything close to the scale we see in reality. DUB's scheme makes sense. LHR's doesn't come close.
Yes Bagso work has started, I went past last week and some work had been done
and a large pile of yellow pipes had been delivered so I guess it`s utility works
initially so hopefully things should progress from now on with T2 work to start this
month also.
and a large pile of yellow pipes had been delivered so I guess it`s utility works
initially so hopefully things should progress from now on with T2 work to start this
month also.
Trash 'n' Navs
OK lets put it the other way round. If the cost of LHR R3 is about £300 million, what is the other £17+ billion for?
Just roll that number around your mind for a minute. £17 Billion .....
Also there's no new terminal, land acquisition costs, residential compensation 25% ......
OK lets put it the other way round. If the cost of LHR R3 is about £300 million, what is the other £17+ billion for?
Just roll that number around your mind for a minute. £17 Billion .....
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Quite.
But can you continue with this comparative exercise between new runways at Dublin and LHR to either the Dublin or LHR threads please.
This is the Manchester thread.
But can you continue with this comparative exercise between new runways at Dublin and LHR to either the Dublin or LHR threads please.
This is the Manchester thread.
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Shhhh 
Don't think you are allowed to mention that airline on Pprune 
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Firstly, MAN has not maxed out its Euro destinations, not by a long shot.
Seville, Santiago, Jerez, Bordeaux, Lille, Bucharest, Pristina, Skjope, Dresden, Tiriana, Zagreb to name a few destinations that could realistically be served. I've probably missed many other obvious gaps too.
Seville, Santiago, Jerez, Bordeaux, Lille, Bucharest, Pristina, Skjope, Dresden, Tiriana, Zagreb to name a few destinations that could realistically be served. I've probably missed many other obvious gaps too.
There are some obvious no-brainers on there such as Seville, Bordeaux and Bucharest but there are some no-chance ones too:-
Pristina - not a hope in hell
Skopje - I've been here, it's a sh1th0le, no-one in their right mind would ever want to go there and I don't detect any sizeable Macedonian diaspora in the North of England
Tirane - you do realize that two weeks ago this tiny airport celebrated the launch of its first fights to.....Frankfurt - even that with a regional jet. No chance of Manchester.
Zagreb - a small airport with high charges which are about to get higher to pay for a vanity new terminal that they didn't need. Again, no chance.
Just to add a sense of balance and perspective that's all.
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Thanks for the balance all names.
Admittedly, Tirana and Skjope are probably a bit more out there, but, Croatia is really enjoying a boom at the moment so while not on the beaches, I see no reason that Zagreb could not work. If Ljubniana can then Zagreb can.
As for Prisitina, I'm reliably informed that Germania were seriously considering a 1 weekly flight last year between based ops, but since that base will not operate this summer, less likely so.
Anyway, 2 new Thomson routes being announced on Thursday 21st for Summer 2017. One to a currently unserved Caribbean airport and not currently served from any UK point(not even LGW), and one to a destination Easyjet launched this summer from MAN.
Admittedly, Tirana and Skjope are probably a bit more out there, but, Croatia is really enjoying a boom at the moment so while not on the beaches, I see no reason that Zagreb could not work. If Ljubniana can then Zagreb can.
As for Prisitina, I'm reliably informed that Germania were seriously considering a 1 weekly flight last year between based ops, but since that base will not operate this summer, less likely so.
Anyway, 2 new Thomson routes being announced on Thursday 21st for Summer 2017. One to a currently unserved Caribbean airport and not currently served from any UK point(not even LGW), and one to a destination Easyjet launched this summer from MAN.
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With all the growth MAN has seen in recent years, with some impressive additions to the route map - Does anyone find the amount of African destinations (or lack of) a bit of a disappointment?
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With all the growth MAN has seen in recent years, with some impressive additions to the route map - Does anyone find the amount of African destinations (or lack of) a bit of a disappointment?
Ethiopia well we know where they went don't we ?
Kenya (we had tour flights to Mombassa) has terrorism issues, and their national airline is practically broke - Needs must and its via Amsterdam which is okay imo.
South Africa - National Airline also near broke and tied so close to Lufthansa they squeak.
Could still see northern winter to Cape Town by TCX at some point
Other Southern African points not a chance
West Africa - :Lagos is an obvious point I suppose however the local carriers are corrupt as hell and Arik are said to have turned down operations to Manchester because they want more Heathrow access - A route they can't even make work much of the time !
Ghana - read above
North Africa - we all know the issues here in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, and Algeria isn't the most tour friendly place either.
Seriously where else
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Although it's difficult to think of African destinations that might support direct flights from MAN, it is an area of growing importance, and what we need first are better one stop connections to major African cities.
The main options at present are AF/KL, TK, QR and EK. For the latter three the journey involves a huge dog leg, especially to West Africa. This is why it was such a disappointment that Egyptair didn't survive long, as they appear on screens in many African capital cities.
The other airline quietly building up a hub and spoke to many African cities is RAM, and I wonder if they might consider a MAN link at some point.
Another option, if IAG could ever look south instead of west, would be to build up connections through Madrid.
Certainly getting to Africa at present is not at all convenient.
The main options at present are AF/KL, TK, QR and EK. For the latter three the journey involves a huge dog leg, especially to West Africa. This is why it was such a disappointment that Egyptair didn't survive long, as they appear on screens in many African capital cities.
The other airline quietly building up a hub and spoke to many African cities is RAM, and I wonder if they might consider a MAN link at some point.
Another option, if IAG could ever look south instead of west, would be to build up connections through Madrid.
Certainly getting to Africa at present is not at all convenient.
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Shhhh Don't think you are allowed to mention that airline on Pprune
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Why is etihad discussion banned?? Jw not been on here that long
I don't think what's been discussed above is much of an issue however I wouldn't post anything other than schedule changes to be safe.
March figures are out 1.74m moving total 23.5m movements 13766
Taken from Northwest business news
Infact a very good month for MAG as all airports well up
Best ever numbers for 'Northern gateway'
11th April 2016
By Nick Jackson - Deputy Editor, North West
Manchester Airport
MANCHESTER Airport is celebrating after flying more passengers than ever in its 78-year history with 23.5 million people opting to use the North’s international gateway.
Traffic numbers for March 2016 were 11% up year on year, with 1.74 million eople jetting off on holiday and on business. The top five popular international routes last month were Dubai, Dublin, Amsterdam, Tenerife and Alicante.
Aircraft movements in and out of Manchester were also up last month by 883, with 13,736 planes taking off and landing on the airport’s two full length runways.
There are over 22 million people in the airport’s catchment area, which spans as far north as Scotland, as south as the West Midlands, east across Yorkshire and west to Merseyside and North Wales.
The continued increase is testament to the fact people within the catchment area want to fly from the North, avoiding unnecessary connections at more congested airports in the South.
A wealth of new routes, plus increased frequency and capacity on existing routes is feeding the growth at Manchester Airport, it says.
The airport continues to add to its long haul portfolio and in the last year has added a range of new routes, which outside of London can only be found at Manchester. These include Miami, Hong Kong, Beijing (starts June 2016), Los Angeles (starts May 2016),· Boston (starts May 2016),· Aruba (starts May 2016), Phuket (starts November 2016),· Tobago (starts November 2016), Mauritius (starts November 2016) and San Francisco (starts summer 2017).
Airport managing director Ken O’Toole said: “The continued strong growth at Manchester Airport is incredibly positive and benefits not only the airport and our passengers, but the entire region.
“As new routes come to fruition and passenger numbers increase, in turn jobs are created and inbound tourism spend is injected into the region.
“Manchester Airport currently generates £1.7bn in value for the North West, supports 21,500 jobs on site and a further 45,000 indirectly and we are confident of driving more growth in the years to come.
“As we move into the summer season, we look forward to a host of new long haul routes starting, which will give our passengers more choice than ever before.
“This financial year, we will see services to Beijing, with Hainan Airlines plus Los Angeles and Boston, with Thomas Cook, begin. Plus next financial year San Francisco and Boston, with Virgin Atlantic, will launch.
“Such services are sure to prove popular with leisure travellers, as well as delivering a boost to businesses wanting access to these key markets and, as the year progresses, we look forward to securing yet more vital routes for passengers across the North.”
Growth was seen across all of MAG’s airports in March. At London Stansted Airport, planes were fuller than last year, with numbers up 13.2%, with 1,892,166 passengers flown. This increase has been driven by Ryanair’s growth and higher load factors. It now takes the airports annual rolling total to 23,183,620 passengers.
East Midlands Airport posted a 9.1% increase in passengers last month, which saw 281,480 passengers flown in March. Ski destinations proved popular last month, as well as passengers wanting to jet off to warmer climes with the Canary Islands and Cyprus proving popular.
Bournemouth Airport’s 37,210 passengers in March took its rolling 12 month total to 733,162 which represents 11.4% growth over the previous year and 35.8% growth month on month compared to March 2015.
Ian
Taken from Northwest business news
Infact a very good month for MAG as all airports well up
Best ever numbers for 'Northern gateway'
11th April 2016
By Nick Jackson - Deputy Editor, North West Manchester AirportMANCHESTER Airport is celebrating after flying more passengers than ever in its 78-year history with 23.5 million people opting to use the North’s international gateway.
Traffic numbers for March 2016 were 11% up year on year, with 1.74 million eople jetting off on holiday and on business. The top five popular international routes last month were Dubai, Dublin, Amsterdam, Tenerife and Alicante.
Aircraft movements in and out of Manchester were also up last month by 883, with 13,736 planes taking off and landing on the airport’s two full length runways.
There are over 22 million people in the airport’s catchment area, which spans as far north as Scotland, as south as the West Midlands, east across Yorkshire and west to Merseyside and North Wales.
The continued increase is testament to the fact people within the catchment area want to fly from the North, avoiding unnecessary connections at more congested airports in the South.
A wealth of new routes, plus increased frequency and capacity on existing routes is feeding the growth at Manchester Airport, it says.
The airport continues to add to its long haul portfolio and in the last year has added a range of new routes, which outside of London can only be found at Manchester. These include Miami, Hong Kong, Beijing (starts June 2016), Los Angeles (starts May 2016),· Boston (starts May 2016),· Aruba (starts May 2016), Phuket (starts November 2016),· Tobago (starts November 2016), Mauritius (starts November 2016) and San Francisco (starts summer 2017).
Airport managing director Ken O’Toole said: “The continued strong growth at Manchester Airport is incredibly positive and benefits not only the airport and our passengers, but the entire region.
“As new routes come to fruition and passenger numbers increase, in turn jobs are created and inbound tourism spend is injected into the region.
“Manchester Airport currently generates £1.7bn in value for the North West, supports 21,500 jobs on site and a further 45,000 indirectly and we are confident of driving more growth in the years to come.
“As we move into the summer season, we look forward to a host of new long haul routes starting, which will give our passengers more choice than ever before.
“This financial year, we will see services to Beijing, with Hainan Airlines plus Los Angeles and Boston, with Thomas Cook, begin. Plus next financial year San Francisco and Boston, with Virgin Atlantic, will launch.
“Such services are sure to prove popular with leisure travellers, as well as delivering a boost to businesses wanting access to these key markets and, as the year progresses, we look forward to securing yet more vital routes for passengers across the North.”
Growth was seen across all of MAG’s airports in March. At London Stansted Airport, planes were fuller than last year, with numbers up 13.2%, with 1,892,166 passengers flown. This increase has been driven by Ryanair’s growth and higher load factors. It now takes the airports annual rolling total to 23,183,620 passengers.
East Midlands Airport posted a 9.1% increase in passengers last month, which saw 281,480 passengers flown in March. Ski destinations proved popular last month, as well as passengers wanting to jet off to warmer climes with the Canary Islands and Cyprus proving popular.
Bournemouth Airport’s 37,210 passengers in March took its rolling 12 month total to 733,162 which represents 11.4% growth over the previous year and 35.8% growth month on month compared to March 2015.
Ian