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Also on the subject of cargo.
There is the perennial question as to whether EK cargo will ever start a MAN flight given the ever decreasing cargo space available ex-MAN due to the increased usage of A380's.
The have recently said in an interview that they 'utilise all available space on the B777's out of BHX/NCL/GLA' before looking at adding a dedicated cargo flight.
They said that like LHR is already, MAN and LGW will be 'all A380 soon thus cutting our cargo carting capability'.
Lastly, the dedicated cargo aircraft will likely be added to either STN, LGW or MAN, but, STN is the preferred option due to costs and the fact most Emirates cargo originates in the Southern catchment.
Not great news, seems cargo is merely an afterthought for MAN flights after once being a tool to help make the flight worthwhile?
There is the perennial question as to whether EK cargo will ever start a MAN flight given the ever decreasing cargo space available ex-MAN due to the increased usage of A380's.
The have recently said in an interview that they 'utilise all available space on the B777's out of BHX/NCL/GLA' before looking at adding a dedicated cargo flight.
They said that like LHR is already, MAN and LGW will be 'all A380 soon thus cutting our cargo carting capability'.
Lastly, the dedicated cargo aircraft will likely be added to either STN, LGW or MAN, but, STN is the preferred option due to costs and the fact most Emirates cargo originates in the Southern catchment.
Not great news, seems cargo is merely an afterthought for MAN flights after once being a tool to help make the flight worthwhile?
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It's not an afterthought, it's just easier to truck to BHX etc. Emirates Skycargo do not exactly have a huge fleet and it is used to places where they get the most bang for their buck.
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Apparently Volgar dnepr/air bridge cargo have created a UK subsidy, and will base a B747-8F at MAN for cargo routes to the U.S, subject to getting its AOC.
It would be awesome if it did though...our own 748!
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Not great news, seems cargo is merely an afterthought for MAN flights after once being a tool to help make the flight worthwhile?
Freight doesn't give a fiddlers how it gets to it's destination, passengers do. The extra pax in a 3rd A380 will earn the airport more money than the containers in the belly of a 777.
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Agreed, and certainly having a triple daily A380 on any route pairing in the world put's you in an elite club.
If nothing else that's quite a marketing coup when it happens.
If nothing else that's quite a marketing coup when it happens.
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Turkish Airlines seem to be doing a decent trade from Manchester.
The new evening flight seems to be using more B737-800 instead of B737-700, with B737-900 also used lately, and A321's planned throughout the next few months.
Not content with that, the A330 seems to be making regular appearances on the TK1993/1994 flight, including, but not limited to 21-24 July and dates in Aug/Sep/Oct and December.
The new evening flight seems to be using more B737-800 instead of B737-700, with B737-900 also used lately, and A321's planned throughout the next few months.
Not content with that, the A330 seems to be making regular appearances on the TK1993/1994 flight, including, but not limited to 21-24 July and dates in Aug/Sep/Oct and December.
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Air Leisure, an Egyptian charter carrier seems to list Manchester and Birmingham as destinations on their web site.
Will be interesting to see what comes off. They operate A340's and MD83's but, in terms of MAN/BHX they don't seem to list the typical tourist destinations of Egypt (SSH/HRG etc), so not sure what route they intend to run.
Will be interesting to see what comes off. They operate A340's and MD83's but, in terms of MAN/BHX they don't seem to list the typical tourist destinations of Egypt (SSH/HRG etc), so not sure what route they intend to run.
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http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport...Statistics.pdf
MAN up 3.1% in month with the rolling total at 5.9% now. Rolling pax is at 22,453,418
STN at 9.8% in month with the rolling total at 16.2% for comparison. Rolling pax is at 21,475,680
Average of all airports (quite a few are missing) is at 4.4% and 5.1%
Interesting that MAN had -0.9% 'growth' in flights over the month.
I also wonder what impact the Tunisia issues had on the numbers.
A glance at the route stats:
New York up 172% to 25715 with that contributing to the US as a whole increasing by around 7% to 143,036
MEB4
Qatar up 11% to 20,806
Etihad down 17% to 25,936
Emirates up 2% to 60,942 - surely another A380 is on its way
Turkish up 24% to 22,115 - as stated by LAX_LHR they appear to be doing well.
Palma is busiest international route still.
Domestically LHR is busiest with 60,110 but only Exeter and Newquay recorded double digit growth with falls for a lot of airports and a fall overall.
MAN up 3.1% in month with the rolling total at 5.9% now. Rolling pax is at 22,453,418
STN at 9.8% in month with the rolling total at 16.2% for comparison. Rolling pax is at 21,475,680
Average of all airports (quite a few are missing) is at 4.4% and 5.1%
Interesting that MAN had -0.9% 'growth' in flights over the month.
I also wonder what impact the Tunisia issues had on the numbers.
A glance at the route stats:
New York up 172% to 25715 with that contributing to the US as a whole increasing by around 7% to 143,036
MEB4
Qatar up 11% to 20,806
Etihad down 17% to 25,936
Emirates up 2% to 60,942 - surely another A380 is on its way
Turkish up 24% to 22,115 - as stated by LAX_LHR they appear to be doing well.
Palma is busiest international route still.
Domestically LHR is busiest with 60,110 but only Exeter and Newquay recorded double digit growth with falls for a lot of airports and a fall overall.
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Gavin
I have replied on Skyscraper to you but but for others the domestic drop
in movements will mainly be due to the loss of Virgin and 1 BA on on LHR also BMI pulling off EDI
Ian
I have replied on Skyscraper to you but but for others the domestic drop
in movements will mainly be due to the loss of Virgin and 1 BA on on LHR also BMI pulling off EDI
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NQY tops 5,000 for the month for the first month since SZ/WW ran services a few years ago.
Surely the time has come for a proper twice daily at least with morning and evenkng on this route ?
Can't really see it dropping back to daily from 10 weekly after October ?
cs
Surely the time has come for a proper twice daily at least with morning and evenkng on this route ?
Can't really see it dropping back to daily from 10 weekly after October ?
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DHL launch a 5 weekly B757F to Leipzig from sept 20th.
Operates Sun-Thu, out from MAN at 2015 back into MAN at 0500. Will operate the same way our FedEx B757 does, which is daystop between flights. May position out fri/sat for maintenance or equipment swaps.
Operates Sun-Thu, out from MAN at 2015 back into MAN at 0500. Will operate the same way our FedEx B757 does, which is daystop between flights. May position out fri/sat for maintenance or equipment swaps.
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Hong Kong is 11177 in June over 18 days so 36 flights equals
310 pax per flight
310 pax per flight
The US provided some interesting numbers.
Based on the seat capacity to JFK with AA, DL and TCX, I reckon 25,715 pax is a LF of approx 82.5%. The pax figure will include a few on PIA so perhaps the LF on the 3 main carriers is marginally less. Of course, we don't know how that breaks down among the 3 airlines.
Considering the increase in JFK capacity, for UA to drop only 2% on EWR and achieve a LF of 86% is pretty good in my view.
ATL is a little disappointing up only 4% with a much higher seat increase on the VS A330. Anyone know if there were any flights cancelled? Otherwise the LF is approx. 75%.
PHL sadly equates to only 70% LF, again subject to any cancellations or use of the B757.
More later.
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CAA Provisional Stats June:
US flights:
Miami had 4,863 pax on what I think was 18 flights
Average Load 270 which is a LF of 84% based on 322 seats on TCX.
On IAD, I wondered if the Wed./ Thurs flights were back for the full month.
If it was daily with no cancellations, the drop of 6% with an average load of 132 is slightly disappointing (LF 78%).
Good to see both MCO and LAS up (5% and 9%)
ME3.
Gavin, if June were typical for EK, I doubt we'd be seeing the 3rd A380 anytime soon. Fortunately, June, like May, tends to be a quieter month if I'm not mistaken so is not typical. If the B777 was a 3 class configuration every day, the average load of 339 is about a 73% LF. ( Need to check but I think the 2% increase on June 2014 was smaller than the percentage increase at BHX, GLA, and LGW. In peak months, we hit over 70,000 pax.
I'm surprised EY was down 17% (average load 216) but don't know the a/c mix this year and last.
QR was up 11% (average load 173) but with 14 flights weekly instead of 10 last June, a larger increase may have been hoped for. Again the a/c mix may be a factor although I suspect there were still a number of A333s that operated this June.
Saudia increased 26% (with an extra flight?) and an average load of 204.
SQ after a good run of increases was down 6% but with an average load of 123. Is it correct that MAN-MUC pax on these flights would be included under MUC? It would seem logical.
Overall, a mixed bag on long haul but some good results included, notably CX.
MAN's 3.1% increase in pax is very much 'steady as she goes' while airports roughly half the size of MAN, - LTN, GLA, and EDI - had double digit percentage increases.
US flights:
Miami had 4,863 pax on what I think was 18 flights
Average Load 270 which is a LF of 84% based on 322 seats on TCX.
On IAD, I wondered if the Wed./ Thurs flights were back for the full month.
If it was daily with no cancellations, the drop of 6% with an average load of 132 is slightly disappointing (LF 78%).
Good to see both MCO and LAS up (5% and 9%)
ME3.
Gavin, if June were typical for EK, I doubt we'd be seeing the 3rd A380 anytime soon. Fortunately, June, like May, tends to be a quieter month if I'm not mistaken so is not typical. If the B777 was a 3 class configuration every day, the average load of 339 is about a 73% LF. ( Need to check but I think the 2% increase on June 2014 was smaller than the percentage increase at BHX, GLA, and LGW. In peak months, we hit over 70,000 pax.
I'm surprised EY was down 17% (average load 216) but don't know the a/c mix this year and last.
QR was up 11% (average load 173) but with 14 flights weekly instead of 10 last June, a larger increase may have been hoped for. Again the a/c mix may be a factor although I suspect there were still a number of A333s that operated this June.
Saudia increased 26% (with an extra flight?) and an average load of 204.
SQ after a good run of increases was down 6% but with an average load of 123. Is it correct that MAN-MUC pax on these flights would be included under MUC? It would seem logical.
Overall, a mixed bag on long haul but some good results included, notably CX.
MAN's 3.1% increase in pax is very much 'steady as she goes' while airports roughly half the size of MAN, - LTN, GLA, and EDI - had double digit percentage increases.
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I think steady as she goes is the policy we need to adopt for the time being, quite frankly, until the airport development is done to be honest.
The airport, from a comfort viewpoint, can't handle any 'explosion' in flights until the eat soon and modernisation is done.
T3 is bursting at the seams, T1 unfit for purpose and T2 chola in the peak, meaning any new service needs to be in the quiet periods.
Yes, it would be great to have the headline grappling growth, but, the customer experience is already dire, so, to go back to where I started, I would much prefer 'steady as she goes' so that MAN can work on getting the customer experience right.
The airport, from a comfort viewpoint, can't handle any 'explosion' in flights until the eat soon and modernisation is done.
T3 is bursting at the seams, T1 unfit for purpose and T2 chola in the peak, meaning any new service needs to be in the quiet periods.
Yes, it would be great to have the headline grappling growth, but, the customer experience is already dire, so, to go back to where I started, I would much prefer 'steady as she goes' so that MAN can work on getting the customer experience right.
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Yes, it would be great to have the headline grappling growth, but, the customer experience is already dire, so, to go back to where I started, I would much prefer 'steady as she goes' so that MAN can work on getting the customer experience right
Having said that, our own experience of both T1 (TCX) and T2 (TOM) in the last 6 weeks, departing at 06.00 and 06.50 have been ok with plenty of check-in desks open and security waits of less than 15 minutes each time. But T1 does look messy when queues for check in stretch back to the central doors and the separate lines for say TCX and TS are not readily identifiable for pax just arriving. Can't speak for T3 recently but T1 airside isn't great.
We may not see many more based a/c until the redevelopment is well advanced, but let's hope efforts to fill some of those quieter periods during the day in summer and to boost winter operations are successful.
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Well the based unit count will still go up next year MANFOD.
We already know TCX will have an extra based A330 and A321, Jet2 look to be at least 1 extra based with 3 new routes and at a quick glance, a few extra frequencies on extra routes and hearing Germania will have 2 based next summer.
Add to that, I would be surprised if Ryanair didn't add an aircraft, there are strong hints the Norwegian base is back on (with Norwegian not denying it when asked) and I also don't think Easyjet is finished with its expansion. Lastly, Vueling are planning something ex-MAN, but we have to wait for that one to be revealed.
As you say, off peak is where I hope MAN gets its next phase of expansion. Despite the dire queues in the morning, afternoons at MAN are almost akin to an abandoned airport, so, this is where Away based Ryanair, Norwegian, Vueling and Iberia Express could come in. Easyjet don't seem to grace MAN with away based flights that much. I think just Belfast uses away based aircraft on some rotations.
We already know TCX will have an extra based A330 and A321, Jet2 look to be at least 1 extra based with 3 new routes and at a quick glance, a few extra frequencies on extra routes and hearing Germania will have 2 based next summer.
Add to that, I would be surprised if Ryanair didn't add an aircraft, there are strong hints the Norwegian base is back on (with Norwegian not denying it when asked) and I also don't think Easyjet is finished with its expansion. Lastly, Vueling are planning something ex-MAN, but we have to wait for that one to be revealed.
As you say, off peak is where I hope MAN gets its next phase of expansion. Despite the dire queues in the morning, afternoons at MAN are almost akin to an abandoned airport, so, this is where Away based Ryanair, Norwegian, Vueling and Iberia Express could come in. Easyjet don't seem to grace MAN with away based flights that much. I think just Belfast uses away based aircraft on some rotations.
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Gavin, if June were typical for EK, I doubt we'd be seeing the 3rd A380 anytime soon. Fortunately, June, like May, tends to be a quieter month if I'm not mistaken so is not typical. If the B777 was a 3 class configuration every day, the average load of 339 is about a 73% LF. ( Need to check but I think the 2% increase on June 2014 was smaller than the percentage increase at BHX, GLA, and LGW. In peak months, we hit over 70,000 pax