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Old 16th Jun 2017, 17:55
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Originally Posted by brian_dromey

The 0935 arrival from MAN doesn't seem too bad. To get to southend central for 10:35 you'd need to leave Manchester on an 0530 service. How much traffic there actually is on this route is another matter.

What did the ATRs operate last winter from SEN?
I think the MAN route might actually be aimed at SEN-MAN-XXX rather than MAN-SEN-London.

Also, I do wonder if Flybe are operating MAN-SEN as a part replacement for MAN-NWI which Flybe will loose after Loganair goes its own way?
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Old 16th Jun 2017, 18:08
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Let's wait and see what codeshares operate on the MAN. Think that's the market they are after on the route


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Old 16th Jun 2017, 18:25
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MAN codeshares

Maybe I'm being cynical but Southend-Manchester doesn't strike me as an obvious codeshare route. From Manchester the obvious onward connections are to either the USA (against all the competition from Heathrow and Gatwick) or to Ireland (against Ryanair from Stansted). In the reverse direction it would be up against all the existing routes to major European airports from Easyjet, Jet2, and others. Yes you can set up lots of codeshare agreements, but if passengers find they take longer or cost more than a non-stop flight, they tend to vote with their wallets.

So which routes would be obvious codeshares to combine with SEN-MAN ?
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Old 16th Jun 2017, 18:33
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Plenty of people travel 'initially in the wrong direction' on routes such as MAN-AMS-USA, so if the price is right, no reason why SEN-MAN-USA/DXB etc couldn't be attractive to someone?

Yes, not going to be huge in numbers, but MAN is starting to pick up as an alternative transit point. Had over 180 pax off a TCX LAS-MAN connecting onto various Flybe flights last week alone.
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Old 16th Jun 2017, 19:09
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Originally Posted by 01475
I can't work out what market they're going for with MAN :-s SEN's proximity to excellent train services to Manchester seems... limiting.
I don't want to start talking trains because I'll incur the wrath of tophat27dt but, if you're going to fly people from SEN to UK destinations, then the west side of the country makes more sense to me. If you're retired and bored try travelling in the peak from South Essex to cities served from Kings X, then try Euston. You'll find a significant difference.
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Old 16th Jun 2017, 21:01
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Have you tried travelling from the North West to essex?

Train is 2 hours (quickest service) to London, plus a 45 min transfer across London (realistic for people unfamiliar with the city) and then a 30-60 min train ride out. So really its 4+ hours minimum public transport.

Drive? Easily 5+ hours with traffic to consider and the M25, M6/M1 nightmare ...

Not all routes are about going to the city centre of London you know ...
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Old 16th Jun 2017, 21:05
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Originally Posted by Expressflight
I agree. In a recent radio interview Glyn Jones admitted that the new routes went on sale later than he would have liked and here they are making the same mistake again.
Was on the Flybe app just now. Flying from SEN but DUB is not listing as a destination despite their website timetable showing this route availability.

Anyone got any idea for what date will they release the DUB flights to purchase online or via their app?

Curious to price compare against all the usual alternatives like Ryanair, BA, Aer Lingus, Cityjet.
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Old 16th Jun 2017, 21:15
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Originally Posted by cumbrianboy
Have you tried travelling from the North West to essex?

Train is 2 hours (quickest service) to London, plus a 45 min transfer across London (realistic for people unfamiliar with the city) and then a 30-60 min train ride out. So really its 4+ hours minimum public transport.

Drive? Easily 5+ hours with traffic to consider and the M25, M6/M1 nightmare ...
Not all routes are about going to the city centre of London you know ...
I rest my case, and I'll never mention trains again (honest )

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Old 17th Jun 2017, 06:52
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Originally Posted by cumbrianboy
Have you tried travelling from the North West to essex?

Drive? Easily 5+ hours with traffic to consider and the M25, M6/M1 nightmare ...
Not all routes are about going to the city centre of London you know ...
Try driving the M6, A14 then M11 ... But don't tell everybody
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Old 17th Jun 2017, 08:01
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Every time I travel the M11 there seems to be some sort of incident that results in a long and tedious delay; in my experience it is worse than going around the M25, but maybe that's because I'm always expecting delays on the M25 anyway. I drove from west to east and from east to west around the M25 on Thursday and, despite the closure south of the Tunnel, I wasn't held up at all (justa s well I chose the northern semi-circle).

Suffice it to say that ground travel between Southend and Manchester is usually a slow and tedious experience. Whether there's sufficient market for a schedule linking SEN and MAN can only be discovered by giving it a go - it will of course require sustained and clever publicity.
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Old 17th Jun 2017, 13:11
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any idea what the passenger numbers were on the NORWICH-MANCHESTER ROUTE
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Old 17th Jun 2017, 17:20
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Originally Posted by mikkie4
any idea what the passenger numbers were on the NORWICH-MANCHESTER ROUTE

Nearly always high twentys, sometimes full whenever I fly but I use it on Monday mornings returning either Thursday or Friday night, so peak times
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Old 17th Jun 2017, 20:06
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NWI-MAN

2016 total passengers 25461 Down 7% on 2015. Number of sectors 1522 per the CAA stats = 17 per flight around 55% load factor

January 2006 passengers - sectors 132 = 15 per flight - 49% load factor

February 2166 sectors 132 = 16 per flight or 52% load factor

March 2661 108 sectors = 25 per flight - why would March have fewer flights?

Source: CAA for the passenger figures and sectors and flybe for the seat-map

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Old 17th Jun 2017, 21:10
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23 pax average in April, 73% load factor as per CAA site.

As Oltenpete posts, Quiet in the months after Xmas, but picks up as spring comes, reflects what I experience during the year.

Hopefully demand will be sufficient from Southend!
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Old 19th Jun 2017, 22:14
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GLASSGOW INT

SEN web page (new destinations) has GLASSGOW INTERNATIONAL starting 29th OCTOBER(FLYBE) .....not on sale yet....will have to wait and see if it actually happens
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Old 19th Jun 2017, 23:03
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Makes a change for the destinations page to be updated on the website before they've even been put on sale! Nonetheless some more good news. Perhaps they can put the winter schedule on sale now, might be useful if they want to make some money.
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Old 20th Jun 2017, 06:34
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The new flights are on sale. GLA is 8 weekly, no flight on Saturdays but two on Mondays and Fridays.
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Old 20th Jun 2017, 06:40
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New Routes

The Echo's picked it up now

Three exciting new routes are confirmed for Southend airport (From Echo)
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Old 20th Jun 2017, 06:45
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Cologne appears to be dropped altogether which is probably little surprise with the free flight offer. Reus, Perpignan and Venice are also not there for winter, though they could plausibly be seasonal along with Zadar and Dubrovnik. Otherwise all the other city routes carry on.
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Old 20th Jun 2017, 06:52
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Yes, they sound like seasonal routes to me. Maybe Dusseldorf is worth a try rather than Cologne. Frankfurt would be great, but no doubt slots would be an issue there.
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