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'Profit is a secondary concern for Stobart'. Come off it, would you like to tell that to all the shareholders including insurance companies, pension funds etc. Get real.
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By the way, who are these insurance companies and pension funds holding Stobart stock?
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As you probably know the Insurance companies and pension funds hold a wide portfolio of stock, other than that trade secret dear boy! Good news about the fourth easyJet aircraft.
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If I were Stobart I might be wondering whether EasyJet would be watching performance of my routes this year and planning on some of them for next!
Good news though that a proper commercially based airline is basing a further aircraft
(Where's my tin hat?)
Good news though that a proper commercially based airline is basing a further aircraft
(Where's my tin hat?)
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Trade secret? We're not talking about some company incorporated in the Bahamas with nominee directors. Anybody holding more than 3% is publicly declared. Provided you have a 'proper purpose' you can ask any UK listed company for access to their entire register of members. Lets stick to the facts.
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If EZY take on any of the Stobart routes surely that fully vindicates Stobart's decision to launch their own flights in the first place. On to a new set of routes to test, or exit the market and let others take the financial risk having demonstrated SEN works.
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I stood in long stay 2 car park yesterday afternoon, nearly being blown over, but it was worth it to see the Jota flight enter runway 23 via taxiway Alpha and line up while the just landed Volotea was backtracking to exit via Bravo. Saves a lot of time, Bravo coming back into use.
They're really getting on well with the extension to long stay 2; two diggers working away and the grass and earth being trucked out. It looks like parts of the park will be very close to Alpha as is a fair bit of long stay 2 already. To be doing all this work makes me think they must have something lined up. Let's hope something materialises.
They're really getting on well with the extension to long stay 2; two diggers working away and the grass and earth being trucked out. It looks like parts of the park will be very close to Alpha as is a fair bit of long stay 2 already. To be doing all this work makes me think they must have something lined up. Let's hope something materialises.
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Are there any sources to confirm the fourth a/c for SEN or is it just speculative?
I'd struggle to pinpoint actually where else they could viably fly to. Business/City destinations have not exactly proved to be a resounding success.
Potential ones I see could be DBV, GIB, LEI, NAP, NCE and PRG. Possibly CFU or MLA but probably pushing the range in the height of summer especially as we've seen before.
Either way, any increase is bound to be at the expense of STN again with so many of the only viable routes already well served from there.
Another short-sighted and potentially unsustainable move by EZY in my view if any truth comes from this. EZYs route network from SEN has been a bit shaky to say the least, not sure another a/c is what it needs right now. The SEN fanboys will beg to differ I'm sure!
I'd struggle to pinpoint actually where else they could viably fly to. Business/City destinations have not exactly proved to be a resounding success.
Potential ones I see could be DBV, GIB, LEI, NAP, NCE and PRG. Possibly CFU or MLA but probably pushing the range in the height of summer especially as we've seen before.
Either way, any increase is bound to be at the expense of STN again with so many of the only viable routes already well served from there.
Another short-sighted and potentially unsustainable move by EZY in my view if any truth comes from this. EZYs route network from SEN has been a bit shaky to say the least, not sure another a/c is what it needs right now. The SEN fanboys will beg to differ I'm sure!
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There is actually slightly more than 3 aircraft at present as a few flights are operated from PMI. I don't think there will be anything terribly exciting, probably just taking the PMI flights back, possibly AMS to go 3 daily year round, an extra flight or two to IBZ/AGP and one or two new sunshine routes at low frequency.
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5 years ago many said easyjet's decision was short-sighted, unsustainable and worse. But now they have 5 years of solid data behind them on which they can rely to make a judgement on the best way forward for them at the airport. We can be sure this decision to bring in another Airbus is a simple commercial decision, and not one that is designed to send a message to MAG or anyone else. The only people affected will be EZY and SEN.
I don't really see how easyjet basing a fourth Airbus at SEN can be seen as a anything other than a positive, and many who are not slow to criticise the airport have acknowledged that.
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Are there any sources to confirm the fourth a/c for SEN or is it just speculative?
I'd struggle to pinpoint actually where else they could viably fly to. Business/City destinations have not exactly proved to be a resounding success.
Potential ones I see could be DBV, GIB, LEI, NAP, NCE and PRG. Possibly CFU or MLA but probably pushing the range in the height of summer especially as we've seen before.
Either way, any increase is bound to be at the expense of STN again with so many of the only viable routes already well served from there.
Another short-sighted and potentially unsustainable move by EZY in my view if any truth comes from this. EZYs route network from SEN has been a bit shaky to say the least, not sure another a/c is what it needs right now. The SEN fanboys will beg to differ I'm sure!
I'd struggle to pinpoint actually where else they could viably fly to. Business/City destinations have not exactly proved to be a resounding success.
Potential ones I see could be DBV, GIB, LEI, NAP, NCE and PRG. Possibly CFU or MLA but probably pushing the range in the height of summer especially as we've seen before.
Either way, any increase is bound to be at the expense of STN again with so many of the only viable routes already well served from there.
Another short-sighted and potentially unsustainable move by EZY in my view if any truth comes from this. EZYs route network from SEN has been a bit shaky to say the least, not sure another a/c is what it needs right now. The SEN fanboys will beg to differ I'm sure!
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this decision to bring in another Airbus is a simple commercial decision
The only people affected will be EZY and SEN
Don't get me wrong, I wish the airport well and it hasn't been doing too badly lately with regards to route development from Stobart/Flybe whoever it is.
Over the last five years though you can't deny there has been quite a bit of chopping and changing from EZY. Most of their bases would usually seem pretty mature after two or three years max - that's providing they haven't closed it because their not the number one or two airline there.
They tried a fourth aircraft previously and it was removed the following year, not to mention the fact other routes have been withdrawn since. What else really are they expecting to achieve?
Evidently SEN is a nice little earner for them, but seemingly only on leisure routes in the med which they've got covered now quite nicely, with the exception of AMS. If they couldn't make KRK, SXF or VCE work I doubt actually that the likes of NAP, NCE or PRG would flare much better. And as for CDG I honestly don't expect that one to last much into the future, the frequency this winter is already starting to dwindle.
EZY at SEN still seems to be finding its feet somewhat, despite five years of operations. They need to continue optimising the performance of the three aircraft before even contemplating a fourth. I'm just surprised there's not more lucrative locations for expansion elsewhere.
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So this is still just a rumour... no news or official announcements have been made. In terms of SEN being the worse performing base per routes cancelled per year, everyone else has already explained that. SEN does perform very well on Spanish sun routes and AMS but it doesn't stretch further than that. Might see a Corfu or Malta happen one day but not enough to sustain another aircraft. In the winter there are only 3-4 flights a day which means two aircrafts are sitting doing nothing where no routes are viable to operate from Southend, even for a small loss. Look at LPA! STN would get an extra aircraft over SEN and everyone knows how that won't happen for a while, if ever.
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What you say is true, of course. Many successful routes elsewhere simply don't work from SEN. But on the other hand, look at the numbers travelling to AMS and compare that to STN, an airport 20 times the size.
I would, like you, like to see some official conformation. But the information came from a sober source not known for fantasy.
What you say is true, of course. Many successful routes elsewhere simply don't work from SEN. But on the other hand, look at the numbers travelling to AMS and compare that to STN, an airport 20 times the size.
I would, like you, like to see some official conformation. But the information came from a sober source not known for fantasy.
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look at the numbers travelling to AMS and compare that to STN, an airport 20 times the size.
Stansted: 29,209 +8%
Southend: 17,042 -1%
Source: https://www.caa.co.uk/uploadedFiles/...e_Analysis.pdf
EZY is the sole operator from both airports to AMS and looking at the difference in frequency between STN and SEN those figures would suggest nothing over and above for SEN.
The fact that STN as an airport is 20x bigger or whatever is entirely irrelevant, because funnily enough... each airport has entirely different route networks!
I struggle to see the point you're trying to make??
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Evidently SEN is a nice little earner for them, but seemingly only on leisure routes in the med which they've got covered now quite nicely, with the exception of AMS. If they couldn't make KRK, SXF or VCE work I doubt actually that the likes of NAP, NCE or PRG would flare much better. And as for CDG I honestly don't expect that one to last much into the future, the frequency this winter is already starting to dwindle.
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Well that depends on the market they are trying to attract. As we've just acknowledged, it's primarily the outbound leisure market on routes mostly to the Med that produce the highest yields at SEN.
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Again FRatSTN you are right. SEN is indeed a strange London airport, without a single arrival before 0950. And once more, you're right to point out that leisure is what it's all about at the moment. But that's ok isn't it? And if the owners keep working at it, as they seem to be doing, they may even get close to where they want to be, albeit a little late.