DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 6
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What are you on about? It's simple enough if you've got a full 733 of 148 passengers but all have paid the base fare say £10pp you're not going to make profit, whereas if you're filling your planes full of late booking passengers at £50 a pop you're laughing. Rumour was bmibaby was consistently filling planes full of £10 passengers. Another rumour is they wanted a better deal with the airport than they already had, and the airport refused because they were already getting minimal profit as it was.
The truth is we'll never know
The truth is we'll never know
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Just speculating but even if the route was making a profit, BMI may well have just wanted to sell the slot pairs at LHR.
Current market price is $75m a pair (AF/KL to Oman Air) - clearly would have been less in 2006 but they would have been worth a pretty penny even in those days.
Current market price is $75m a pair (AF/KL to Oman Air) - clearly would have been less in 2006 but they would have been worth a pretty penny even in those days.
RR - the word sufficient means "enough for a particular purpose", so for a commercial company that purpose will generally be to make a profit.
You state that there was no shortage of passengers, but as 10 DME ARC says, there was an insufficient number i.e. they weren't paying enough.
If bmiBaby were filling the planes but operating at a loss, that will been because they couldn't sell seats at the higher price needed to make a profit - a seat sold for £10 loses less money than an empty seat.
If they couldn't generate sufficient income, of course they're going to try and reduce costs - how else you expect them to stay in business.
And as Beefer keeps asking, what did happen to the court case money?
You state that there was no shortage of passengers, but as 10 DME ARC says, there was an insufficient number i.e. they weren't paying enough.
If bmiBaby were filling the planes but operating at a loss, that will been because they couldn't sell seats at the higher price needed to make a profit - a seat sold for £10 loses less money than an empty seat.
If they couldn't generate sufficient income, of course they're going to try and reduce costs - how else you expect them to stay in business.
And as Beefer keeps asking, what did happen to the court case money?
DTV sale?
Belfast City sold to 3i any mileage in Peel selling out??
Maybe a long shot,but hey,really seem to be treading water,unless someone can provide some actual,positive news?
Maybe a long shot,but hey,really seem to be treading water,unless someone can provide some actual,positive news?
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Before wishing for a sale you should probably bear in mind what happened in the months following the previous sale of the airport (to the Canadians)...we reached our lowest ebb 
Merry Xmas all and here's to a productive 2017!
It's been one of the more colourful airport PPRUNE threads and has entertained,infuriated,upset and caused a few laughs along the way!!
We are probably still no further forward than the last couple of years...but I look forward to the 2016/2017 annual re view on DTV movements and maybe some interesting suprises in the coming months?
Keep the faith!!
It's been one of the more colourful airport PPRUNE threads and has entertained,infuriated,upset and caused a few laughs along the way!!
We are probably still no further forward than the last couple of years...but I look forward to the 2016/2017 annual re view on DTV movements and maybe some interesting suprises in the coming months?
Keep the faith!!
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Morning all.. hope everyone had a nice Christmas day...
'YES' it will be interesting to see what the DTV movements review says for 2016, but with it been written by a Peel fanatic, 'who we all know very well on here' it will be more rubbish while trying to praise the place/peel
"same old same old" ...
having said that, one thing positive from the place this year..
1) got rid of the parachute characters/Micro lights.. who in my opinion, 'should never have been here in the first place
'.. "this is an airport not an airfield".. so for me a step in the rite direction 
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but as for surprises.. hopefully peel "will do one".. or step up and make a go of it instead just filling us full of
, but I'm sure we'll be in the same state next year, with no more flights and the pax numbers still dropping..
so as you say H&W "keep the faith!"
'YES' it will be interesting to see what the DTV movements review says for 2016, but with it been written by a Peel fanatic, 'who we all know very well on here' it will be more rubbish while trying to praise the place/peel
"same old same old" ... having said that, one thing positive from the place this year..
1) got rid of the parachute characters/Micro lights.. who in my opinion, 'should never have been here in the first place
'.. "this is an airport not an airfield".. so for me a step in the rite direction .. but as for surprises.. hopefully peel "will do one".. or step up and make a go of it instead just filling us full of
, but I'm sure we'll be in the same state next year, with no more flights and the pax numbers still dropping..so as you say H&W "keep the faith!"
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The last couple of posts made me seek out these seemingly famous annual reviews, certainly last years is very well worded and certainly not pro-Peel, in fact there's one particular instance where the author quite clearly displays discontent and the first two paragraphs of the summary section are quite depressing. If as Bishop01 states the author is on here, I would ask why he can't replicate such a high quality write-up in his pprune posts, the thread would be a much happier place if he did!
Also, whilst I can see where you're coming from, in my book anyone who thinks the airport losing business of any kind is a good thing is not a full shilling.
Also, whilst I can see where you're coming from, in my book anyone who thinks the airport losing business of any kind is a good thing is not a full shilling.
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No-More-Bullschit.... you mentioned..
"in my book anyone who thinks the airport losing business of any kind is a good thing is not a full shilling"
answer me this.. how many "Airports in the UK" with schedule jet services have parachute clubs based at them?? I've heard on several occasions now where VIP aircraft and even the KLM nearly loosing their slots because of the airport been on shut down due to the droppers being in the air..
as I've mentioned, if your running an airport 'even the likes of DTV with reduced services now' then surely their bread and butter should be the schedule services, so if anything disrupts that, 'then questions have to be asked whether the airport needs the jumpers' and if the airport cant survive without the likes of a based parachute club, then just send the rest of the pax up to Newcastle and down to Leeds and shut the terminal...
I for one am very passionate about the place and don't want to see it get any worse than it is, but you need the rite sort of business coming in that makes you money while not upsetting what core business you have left... so lets hope 2017 the place picks up...
"in my book anyone who thinks the airport losing business of any kind is a good thing is not a full shilling"
answer me this.. how many "Airports in the UK" with schedule jet services have parachute clubs based at them?? I've heard on several occasions now where VIP aircraft and even the KLM nearly loosing their slots because of the airport been on shut down due to the droppers being in the air..
as I've mentioned, if your running an airport 'even the likes of DTV with reduced services now' then surely their bread and butter should be the schedule services, so if anything disrupts that, 'then questions have to be asked whether the airport needs the jumpers' and if the airport cant survive without the likes of a based parachute club, then just send the rest of the pax up to Newcastle and down to Leeds and shut the terminal...
I for one am very passionate about the place and don't want to see it get any worse than it is, but you need the rite sort of business coming in that makes you money while not upsetting what core business you have left... so lets hope 2017 the place picks up...
No-More-Bullschit.... you mentioned..
"in my book anyone who thinks the airport losing business of any kind is a good thing is not a full shilling"
answer me this.. how many "Airports in the UK" with schedule jet services have parachute clubs based at them?? I've heard on several occasions now where VIP aircraft and even the KLM nearly loosing their slots because of the airport been on shut down due to the droppers being in the air..
as I've mentioned, if your running an airport 'even the likes of DTV with reduced services now' then surely their bread and butter should be the schedule services, so if anything disrupts that, 'then questions have to be asked whether the airport needs the jumpers' and if the airport cant survive without the likes of a based parachute club, then just send the rest of the pax up to Newcastle and down to Leeds and shut the terminal...
I for one am very passionate about the place and don't want to see it get any worse than it is, but you need the rite sort of business coming in that makes you money while not upsetting what core business you have left... so lets hope 2017 the place picks up...
"in my book anyone who thinks the airport losing business of any kind is a good thing is not a full shilling"
answer me this.. how many "Airports in the UK" with schedule jet services have parachute clubs based at them?? I've heard on several occasions now where VIP aircraft and even the KLM nearly loosing their slots because of the airport been on shut down due to the droppers being in the air..
as I've mentioned, if your running an airport 'even the likes of DTV with reduced services now' then surely their bread and butter should be the schedule services, so if anything disrupts that, 'then questions have to be asked whether the airport needs the jumpers' and if the airport cant survive without the likes of a based parachute club, then just send the rest of the pax up to Newcastle and down to Leeds and shut the terminal...
I for one am very passionate about the place and don't want to see it get any worse than it is, but you need the rite sort of business coming in that makes you money while not upsetting what core business you have left... so lets hope 2017 the place picks up...
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Bishop01 - as kcockayne mentions Jersey qualifies, and post #1261 also applies, even if that example doesn't involve scheduled traffic.
Other way round...the paradroppers were constantly having to wait / circle / abandon due to the other operators, that's why they moved to Peterlee.
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I've heard on several occasions now where VIP aircraft and even the KLM nearly loosing their slots because of the airport been on shut down due to the droppers being in the air..
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I want to support the airport as it would be a major blow to the Teesside business community if we were to lose it. The connections via AMS work well for the destinations that I generally fly to and it is so convenient to get a taxi from home at 5am, arrive at the airport at 5:15 and fly just after 6.
Anyway, I have two overseas business trips booked in for January and will probably do another 15 or so trips from MME in 2017.
Anyway, I have two overseas business trips booked in for January and will probably do another 15 or so trips from MME in 2017.