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The tide will turn, airports will start to get a fair deal out of airline contracts again, but it will be a few years yet and for us to try and be at the forefront of some kind of airport revolution like we are doing will either proof genius or dangerous
be at the forefront of some kind of airport revolution like we are doing will either proof genius or dangerous
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So you are telling me that all airports lost around 70% of their pax through put?
I ll reiterate it Peel over saw a higher than average drop in pax numbers, this is FACT you can not argue it!
Possible airport revolution, when airports make money from flights again not just making money from car parks and some annoying shopping nightmare you have to go through before you get to the departure lounge!
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LOL, Robert-Ryan are you serious?
So you are telling me that all airports lost around 70% of their pax through put?
I ll reiterate it Peel over saw a higher than average drop in pax numbers, this is FACT you can not argue it!
So you are telling me that all airports lost around 70% of their pax through put?
I ll reiterate it Peel over saw a higher than average drop in pax numbers, this is FACT you can not argue it!
If Peel were running the place into the ground and making it so obvious that they were doing so, then why not simply be done with it and shut the place because what difference does it make?? I know property developers are known for sitting on land for a number of years but it doesn't take 13 years and counting to shut an airport, besides which, Peel aren't even exclusively property developers, look at their portfolio, they have a number of ports, be it air, sea or otherwise...surely they can't all be being run down!
Peel most certainly did not build up the "golden years." They paid £500,000 for a healthy and thriving business that needed investment. They promised £25m and gave nothing!
I know property developers are known for sitting on land for a number of years but it doesn't take 13 years and counting to shut an airport, besides which, Peel aren't even exclusively property developers, look at their portfolio, they have a number of ports, be it air, sea or otherwise...surely they can't all be being run down!
Peel took over in 2003 when pax were around 700k, they then went up to about 900k, they're now around 150k.
I can only think of Coventry and Blackpool in the "third tier" who have done worse - Newquay, Exeter, Bournemouth, Norwich, Humberside, Finningley, Southend have all done better.
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Which is possibly the real puzzle - Peel are a large, rich (thank you Beefer, we've got it now!) bold operator/investor, yet while they haven't let the wheels fall off completely, it's not exactly full steam ahead either.
Peel took over in 2003 when pax were around 700k, they then went up to about 900k, they're now around 150k.
I can only think of Coventry and Blackpool in the "third tier" who have done worse - Newquay, Exeter, Bournemouth, Norwich, Humberside, Finningley, Southend have all done better.
Peel took over in 2003 when pax were around 700k, they then went up to about 900k, they're now around 150k.
I can only think of Coventry and Blackpool in the "third tier" who have done worse - Newquay, Exeter, Bournemouth, Norwich, Humberside, Finningley, Southend have all done better.
Seems a similar pattern here with so called Robert... "The facts" man!!
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Robert-Ryan what was the average drop in pax figure at airports after the 2008 financial crash then? I believe a figure of 12% was the aviation downturn (maybe wrong). So that would of been a loss of 100k max! So please tell, how you make it that 800k loss is not bigger than average!
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Peel most certainly did not build up the "golden years." They paid £500,000 for a healthy and thriving business that needed investment. They promised £25m and gave nothing!
Newquay, Exeter, Bournemouth, Norwich, Humberside, Finningley, Southend have all done better.
"Is it me or is cautious optimist back under another username... again??"
Seems a similar pattern here with so called Robert... "The facts" man!!
Seems a similar pattern here with so called Robert... "The facts" man!!
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Robert-Ryan what was the average drop in pax figure at airports after the 2008 financial crash then? I believe a figure of 12% was the aviation downturn (maybe wrong). So that would of been a loss of 100k max! So please tell, how you make it that 800k loss is not bigger than average!
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Ok, I'll concede that point, but I still maintain Thomson is the only business lost as a direct result of the actions of Peel - possibly Wizz Air too who may or may not have been deliberately guided to Doncaster, as I do believe the Peel Airports world revolves around Doncaster.
And the so called Belfast route, that was going to be operated by an airline who were operating out of another peel airport that was stopping operations, which peel must have known about... you couldn't rite this and people still backing the peel operations here at DTV...
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It's a well known FACT that ryanair would b back if dtv got rid if the £6 fee... this should have been seriously thought about before brining it in... look at Newquay. .They dropped theirs and ryanair back the next day... I can hear all the peel and fodtv characters saying now "You don't make money from ryanair"
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like I said in an earlier post.. if peel/dtv don't do something with flybe and doncaster now then all you peel lovers have to question peels intentions regarding this airport...
theirs the demand out their and I'm not having this recession rubbish you peel lovers are spouting...
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Final piece on the subject from me, least of all because I'm starting to look like I have to have the last word.
Not necessarily
That's because it's true, that PFF machine makes the airport more money than Ryanair will ever hand over (not a fodtva member either by the way)
You try to give the place a bit of defence and the conspiracy theorists come out of the woodwork in the masses claiming those in support of Peel are too blind to see what's really going on...no-one can possibly know what is really going on from the outside looking in, and those in support of Peel more often than not are on the inside in some way shape or form.
If Peel wanted the airport dead it would already be dead.
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It's a well known FACT that ryanair would b back if dtv got rid if the £6 fee...
I can hear all the peel and fodtv characters saying now "You don't make money from ryanair"
You try to give the place a bit of defence and the conspiracy theorists come out of the woodwork in the masses claiming those in support of Peel are too blind to see what's really going on...no-one can possibly know what is really going on from the outside looking in, and those in support of Peel more often than not are on the inside in some way shape or form.
If Peel wanted the airport dead it would already be dead.
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Easy to make such a dismissive response Robert... and you are able to back this up / had access to the detailed financial workings, projections, sensitivity analysis etc?
I think this is a classic case of "put up or shut up"......
Always easy to state the obvious!! "turkeys voting for Xmas & all that.." so which side are you on Robert ? which takes me back to my original point.
That's because it's true, that PFF machine makes the airport more money than Ryanair will ever hand over
I think this is a classic case of "put up or shut up"......
no-one can possibly know what is really going on from the outside looking in, and those in support of Peel more often than not are on the inside in some way shape or form.