DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 6

[onion]

Robert-Ryan and you posts aren't opinion?
I would say a lack of investment (even when promised), axing of flights, services and a pre occupation with housing development is enough evidence!

[Robert-Ryan]

Well I disagree so stalemate I guess

[Robert-Ryan]

Beafer open your eyes and read my original post that graph proves we've lost services not that Peel have lost services, 90% of said services lost for reasons concerning the client and not Peel

Once again you try to make a fool out of someone and end up looking like the bigger fool

So up to now the armchair experts can provide plenty of theory but still no real proof

[SWBKCB]

90% of said services lost for reasons concerning the client

So DTVA has just been unlucky with it's operators being unsuccessful? Doesn't that in itself tell its own story?

Maybe DTVA could only attract the marginal players. Isn't it telling that more robust operators didn't step in when these disappeared?

Look at this link - it's quite staggering the amount of IT traffic which has disappeared. Also, weren't RYR in DTVA before NCL? Wasn't the airport tax Peel's idea?

http://www.dtvmovements.co.uk/Archiv...3/2003-Jun.pdf

[Robert-Ryan]

Originally Posted by Beafer

Its like groundhog day with your Reberto. Are you blind sat between Hangars 1 and 2? Read and digest.

We are not wanted, says Thomson holidays as it announces flights from Durham Tees Valley Airport to be axed (From The Northern Echo)

Just incase you missed the news about Peel forcing Thomsons out.
Thomson flights axed from Durham Tees Valley Airport - BBC News

Do you really think the way to beat me is to take my own post change the words slightly and then use it against me??? You talk of groundhog day...remind me again how many times over do you ask the same questions? I have little respect on this thread, but so long as I have ten fold more than you I'll be happy

[N707ZS]

"We can confirm that there will be no flights to Palma and Ibiza operated by Thomson Holidays for the summer 2014 season.

Palma and Ibiza, TWO flights a week summer time only, what should the airport have done got trained staff on zero hours? and then just got them in for about 12 hours a week?


Beafer, when you are cornered why do you try insults by shortening peoples names, why insults at all?

[SWBKCB]

So how is the BE Jersey staffed in the middle of a Saturday afternoon - hours from any other flight? How many extra staff compared to those for KLM or Eastern? Why sign the contract with TOM and BGH in the first place?

[Robert-Ryan]

Jersey only requires minimum staff, they signed the contract in the hope more would be gained and only when it became apparent there wouldn't be did they pull the plug

[SWBKCB]

they signed the contract in the hope more would be gained and only when it became apparent there wouldn't be did they pull the plug

Unbelievable

[Beafer]

I suppose Peel look on DTV Airport as a minnow in their plans when you look at who Tokenhouse are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Peel_Group
The Peel Group has a complex business structure comprising 320 registered companies and subsidiaries in the UK. Its ultimate parent company is the Isle of Man-based Tokenhouse Ltd.
73% of Peel is owned by the Billown Trust, controlled by chairman John Whittaker. The remainder of Peel is owned by the Olayan Group
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olayan_Group

[SWBKCB]

Interesting nobody is talking about the new Teesside Airport Ltd which was set up in 2015 but there you go.

What is there to talk about?

[Beafer]

Interesting the parent company don't pay much tax. They just use public funds instead.
Revealed: how the company regenerating the Clyde pays as little tax as possible (From HeraldScotland)
Vince Cable who is quoted in the article has a point.
All of Peel's national and international concerns lead back, through a complex web of intermediate "parent" companies and subsidiaries, to Tokenhouse Limited, a company with total assets reportedly worth more than £18bn. Tokenhouse Limited is registered in the Isle of Man.
"The Isle of Man is a renowned offshore tax haven. In a 2012 speech, Business Secretary Vince Cable described tax havens such as the Isle of Man, the Channel Islands and the Cayman Islands as "sunny places for shady people".

[highwideandugly]

Bet Cautious is desperate to get his typewriter out!!

When all is said and done,nobody really knows the thoughts of the Peel finance people.There are so many variables in this saga.
Time will tell which of the protagonists and which of the hopefuls on this site will turn out right!

It has more turns than Corrie,Emmerdale and Eastenders ever did!!

Still a very sad uncertain time for the few employed staff still there and a desperate time for a potential major facility for the NE.

[onion]

So all we can say that is fact, is that Peel (the airport) kicked Thomson out (yet allow one off 737 and larger operations; seems strange when they say Thomson's operations cost money), over saw a larger than average drop in pax, no real increase since the recovery in aviation, a pre occupation with houses, introduction of a pax tax (that from what I see is being creamed off!), the harassment/ill treatment of staff (I challenge Peel to come out and say they haven't) and the cutting of fire and ATC cover making the place seem a joke at times.
So Robert-Ryan what facts can you riposte with?

[SWBKCB]

Jersey only requires minimum staff

How many extra staff are needed for a B738/A320 as opposed to a Fk70/DHC-8/EMB?

How are the one off charters such as Newmarket/Santa flights handled?

[onion]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

How many extra staff are needed for a B738/A320 as opposed to a Fk70/DHC-8/EMB?

How are the one off charters such as Newmarket/Santa flights handled?

It's Fire cover that is the big difference between a 737 and a F70 etc.
Question still stands why are the willing to provide it for (regular) one offs but not weekly holiday flights?

[N707ZS]

One off flights pay for the extra cover, same as night extensions cost a lot more.

[SWBKCB]

Palma and Ibiza, TWO flights a week summer time only, what should the airport have done got trained staff on zero hours? and then just got them in for about 12 hours a week?

Surely the one-off flights then face the same issues?

[Robert-Ryan]

Originally Posted by onion

So all we can say that is fact, is that Peel (the airport) kicked Thomson out (yet allow one off 737 and larger operations; seems strange when they say Thomson's operations cost money), over saw a larger than average drop in pax, no real increase since the recovery in aviation, a pre occupation with houses, introduction of a pax tax (that from what I see is being creamed off!), the harassment/ill treatment of staff (I challenge Peel to come out and say they haven't) and the cutting of fire and ATC cover making the place seem a joke at times.
So Robert-Ryan what facts can you riposte with?

The drop in pax was not larger than average we just felt it more because we were smaller to start with and aviation has not recovered for third tier airports. You adapt or you die.

[inOban]

Reading this and other threads, I am forced to the conclusion that there is no viable business case for third tier airports such as PIK and DTV. The staff and equipment required for international services can only be justified if there are regular movements all day,week and year. And the airlines have forced airports to depend more and more on revenue from concessions, and without these regular movements there is no business case for these concessions. It would be interesting to discuss what is the minimum number of PAX which would make an airport viable.