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Old 15th Mar 2017, 09:25
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Whilst I don't disagree with some of what you say, what's the plan? To get to the back of queue and hope we get in? Also what do we lose? Some 2x weekly flights to the arse end of Eastern Europe as opposed to reduced frequencies from the big legacy airlines when the business traffic dries up?

Independence will significantly harm our financial sector, and as a result the big spenders coming here for business and using the premium seats. I work for a FTSE 250 company hq'd in Scotland with a big base elsewhere in the UK too, having seen the reaction of some of the members of management to Sturgeon's speech then it doesn't look like it's plain sailing ahead.
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Old 15th Mar 2017, 09:42
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Originally Posted by mwm991
Whilst I don't disagree with some of what you say, what's the plan? To get to the back of queue and hope we get in? Also what do we lose? Some 2x weekly flights to the arse end of Eastern Europe as opposed to reduced frequencies from the big legacy airlines when the business traffic dries up?

Independence will significantly harm our financial sector, and as a result the big spenders coming here for business and using the premium seats. I work for a FTSE 250 company hq'd in Scotland with a big base elsewhere in the UK too, having seen the reaction of some of the members of management to Sturgeon's speech then it doesn't look like it's plain sailing ahead.
Scotland will hardly be at the back of the queue though will it? Elmar Brock said yesterday that negotiations would be easy.
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Old 15th Mar 2017, 09:54
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Pretty contradictory to the opinion of the Spanish, other countries already wishing to join and our ridiculous deficit which dwarves even Greece.
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Old 15th Mar 2017, 10:49
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Originally Posted by mwm991
Pretty contradictory to the opinion of the Spanish, other countries already wishing to join and our ridiculous deficit which dwarves even Greece.
Lots of Spanish representatives have already stated they won't block Scotland from joining, the situation in Catalonia is a lot more complicated, other countries waiting to join won't have a say.
Scotland doesn't have a deficit, we don't have any borrowing powers, Scotland's false deficit comes from the UK borrowing on Scotland's behalf. Scotland is also the only country in the UK that exports more than it imports.
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Old 15th Mar 2017, 11:01
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i typed a whole spiel there but your figures include oil and gas. Also they are are our biggest trade partner by a long mile ahead of Europe.

The Spanish Minister said yesterday (yesterday) we would join the back of the queue. The uncertainty and high taxes do nothing for a positive business climate.

I take it we just ditch all the things we don't want (like the deficit) and keep everything we do (free border, the pound, EU membership, NATO, the Barnett formula, PSOs, north sea decomissioning) stone me if that happens!

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Old 15th Mar 2017, 11:18
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The Westminster government has said that it'll go to WTO rules as a default if no agreement. I for one, who works at Scottish Airports are worried about Brexit not Scottish Independence!
It's the British Government at Westminster and we're well represented with 59 (?) MPs as well as Parliament full of MSPs at Holyrood. Scotland is not under-represented IMHO.

There's already a thread for this somewhere more apt I think :
http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/5418...wheel-596.html
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Old 15th Mar 2017, 16:18
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Even if you had to re-apply you're fully compliant with EU law/regs etc etc so you won't have to wait while you "catch-up". It would be a poke in the eye to Mat etc. too. No worries.
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Old 15th Mar 2017, 20:18
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The idea that there is "a que" to join the EU is ridiculous. Are you seriously saying that Scotland or indeed any other country which met all the requirements would be banned from becoming a member until the likes of Albania, Moldova and Bosnia played catch up? Why do people think this, did you read it in some right wing anti-EU newspaper? It's certainly not official EU policy to make potential members wait longer than they need to.

Anyway, I am also a Scottish airport worker, one of the many I know who are deeply worried about the mess brexit will cause and now very much looking forward to getting out of the UK, plenty of former No voters now on side, thankfully. The loss of FoM is going to hit us hard and any attempt to bring back draconian regulation of the airlines and make EU workers second class citizens will be devastating.

Why the assumption that Scotland would suffer from a drop in business? Surely distancing ourselves from the increasingly xenophobic, insular UK Government and their damaging policies will do us the world of good? The arguments against indy are really falling to bits now, perhaps why Willie Rennie plans to campaign on an "emotional" level to appeal to the union jack wavers. They have nothing else left really.
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Old 15th Mar 2017, 21:18
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Craig Jay: Just we borrow money to buy a house, governments borrow money to spend on capital projects such as roads, houses, bridges and the like. Just because ScoGov didn't borrow the money, the UK government did and allocated our Barnet share of its borrowing to Holyrood to spend. So in any divorce, we cannot disown that borrowing. That's like these shysters who eye up a struggling business and pre-arrange to buy it when it goes bust, leaving the creditors with nothing and them with a debt-free business. I cannot imagine an independent Scotland being left without its due share of historical borrowing authorised by successive elected governments, whether or not you agree with those capital projects, which in most cases I don't.
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Old 15th Mar 2017, 23:15
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Come on, can we start talking about aeroplanes again now.
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Old 15th Mar 2017, 23:16
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Or airports even.
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Old 15th Mar 2017, 23:45
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I quite agree. I dithered about posting, but decided that 'alternative facts' should not be allowed to go unchallenged.
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Old 16th Mar 2017, 10:33
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http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/5418...wheel-596.html
Take the politics here *PLEASE*
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Old 16th Mar 2017, 11:35
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Interesting to see that every U.K. regional airport have had at least one U.S. legacy carrier reducing capacity or reducing their service except edinburgh where UA and DL are actually increasing their number of services and AA are keeping their same schedule as last year.
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Old 16th Mar 2017, 12:41
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Originally Posted by CraigJay
Interesting to see that every U.K. regional airport have had at least one U.S. legacy carrier reducing capacity or reducing their service except edinburgh where UA and DL are actually increasing their number of services and AA are keeping their same schedule as last year.
I believe GLA is also the same with another legacy carrier, Delta, actually introducing a new JFK service.

Did DL not operate the 767 at EDI for summer 2016 though?

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Old 16th Mar 2017, 13:26
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It will be interesting to see the load factors this summer. I assume that the Trump Effect mainly affects UK-origin PAX, and of course EDI, and to some extent GLA, must be a major destination for US travellers visiting the 'old country'. They may be unable to downsize the a/c because they don't have anything to downsize to.
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Old 16th Mar 2017, 13:33
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Originally Posted by sf01
I believe GLA is also the same with another legacy carrier, Delta, actually introducing a new JFK service.

Did DL not operate the 767 at EDI for summer 2016 though?
Yes but I think the 767 was only going to be a one off anyway, I might be wrong but I think it was only put on the route after the Brussels bombing and delta cancelling flights there.
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Old 17th Mar 2017, 00:08
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Think Delta's 767 to EDI last year came about as a spare from IST, not Brussels.
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Old 17th Mar 2017, 12:26
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There are rumours that China Eastern will start new services from PVG to EDI and ARN later this year.
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Old 17th Mar 2017, 12:46
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Originally Posted by A350Saltire
There are rumours that China Eastern will start new services from PVG to EDI and ARN later this year.
That's fantastic if it happens, where did you hear the rumours? I was hoping the first EDI Chinese route would be Beijing for personal reasons but Shanghai would be good consolation.
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