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There is every chance EK could jump in at the deep end in 2015/2016 and take on EY/QR at EDI, dumping a massive amount of seats into a relatively immature market (EDI specifically) obviously areas within both EDI and GLA catchment will (or should after over 10.5 years) be aware of EK from GLA. But that would cannibalize EK at GLA after the money they've put into the lounge and 2 daily flights, and it could well have an effect on Newcastle. If there end up being 5 daily flights to the middle east by 2016 from EDI/GLA, there'll probably be a hell of a lot of very cheap seats going. I don't think it would be route ending for EDI, GLA or NCL, but if one were to buckle short term it could be Emirates' investment in Glasgow.
If Emirates were to play it safe, I think I would go for the, "secure existing markets, let EY/QR fight it out and mature, then jump in on a primed market" plan
Just my 2p, but I think since GLA and NCL came before EDI, competition isn't going to make them want to start up sooner.
If Emirates were to play it safe, I think I would go for the, "secure existing markets, let EY/QR fight it out and mature, then jump in on a primed market" plan
Just my 2p, but I think since GLA and NCL came before EDI, competition isn't going to make them want to start up sooner.
There is every chance EK could jump in at the deep end in 2015/2016 and take on EY/QR at EDI, dumping a massive amount of seats into a relatively immature market
but I think since GLA and NCL came before EDI, competition isn't going to make them want to start up sooner.
If Emirates were to play it safe, I think I would go for the, "secure existing markets,
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Barely 9% drop in face of 1000+ seats / wk competition from QR ? I doubt EK will have batted an eyelid. The drop of QR from 9600 - down to 6700 in the space of 3 months will have been of more concern to QR I would have thought.
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Crewmeal, twice I have made it clear that I believe it will be a while before EK starts flying to EDI. What I said was that if they were to announce a daily service tomorrow, well, stranger things have happened! But I think it would be a foolish decision on their part, 0 to 3 daily in one year couldn't be good, even two daily will take some work but obviously EY/QR have faith.
Joe Curry, I think you have misunderstood/deliberately twisted my words. Emirates are going to want to make sure effects on their existing Glasgow and Newcastle services are kept to an absolute minimum when they launch EDI in the future.
Joe Curry, I think you have misunderstood/deliberately twisted my words. Emirates are going to want to make sure effects on their existing Glasgow and Newcastle services are kept to an absolute minimum when they launch EDI in the future.
EK77WNCL - you say:
Then you say:
I'm sorry but that is as about as clear as mud as you can get. I appreciate and know doubt others do as well understand your undividing support for EK expanding at regional airports but you really do go over the top in some of your posts. If there is a market for EK at EDI or anywhere else then they will promote the route with careful consideration. Elsewhere there is a similar discussion as to whether EK will start at LTN or STN or both. Just sit back and wait without churning all the crap!
There is every chance EK could jump in at the deep end in 2015/2016 and take on EY/QR at EDI, dumping a massive amount of seats into a relatively immature market
twice I have made it clear that I believe it will be a while before EK starts flying to EDI.
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Crewmeal, I am entitled to partake in discussion and fail to see how I am "churning all the crap" I also fail to see how I have gone over the top or how I have been bigging up EK or whatever
To make myself more clear:
"THERE IS every chance that Emirates COULD start Edinburgh and dump seats into the market, BUT I believe it will be a while before they do start"
They could if they wanted to get in early, but they probably wont, someone would buckle somewhere.
To make myself more clear:
"THERE IS every chance that Emirates COULD start Edinburgh and dump seats into the market, BUT I believe it will be a while before they do start"
They could if they wanted to get in early, but they probably wont, someone would buckle somewhere.
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EDI wouldnt want EK now ? 
This is getting silly....
Based on this months QR pax monthly figures and days operated what is the currently approximate load factor ?
This is getting silly....Based on this months QR pax monthly figures and days operated what is the currently approximate load factor ?
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From no flights to the Middle East to 2 daily flights by two different airlines in a year, that's more than any other UK airport has managed, surely you must be happy with that Edinburgh people?! BHX has been wanting QR for years (and the QR MD even quoted BHX as a new destination at one point) but they still don't have them!
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EDI wouldnt want EK now ? This is getting silly....
Such assurances would not be unique, I wonder if EK received any elsewhere?
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From no flights to the Middle East to 2 daily flights by two different airlines in a year, that's more than any other UK airport has managed
journeys to achieve it.
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Joe when you slyly insinuate "certain assurances", this is the anti-EDI conspiracy one assumes? The one that er.....accidentally made it Scotland's busiest airport!
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4eyed anorak, good point I had forgotten EDI had issues with that. I'm unsure exactly how the ACN/PCN method works but EDI and the 77W are stated as follows:
Runway 06/24 (runway shouldn't be a problem for 77W ops): 87/R/C/W/T
Twy A (A1-A8, A17-D1): 120/R/C/W/T
Twy A (A8-A17): 70/F/A/W/T
Twys E/F: 72/R/C/W/T
Main Apron: 72/R/C/W/T
I don't have a comprehensive knowledge of EDI but I shouldn't think the A/C would be going anywhere else other than those places above.
The 77W ACN for EDI's subgrades are shown as follows:
Flexible:
A (high strength) - 64 (If I'm using the system correct, this is fine)
Rigid:
C (low strength) - 109 (this is definitely not fine)
So it would seem the 77W can't operate regularly into EDI, however I think either my data is wrong, I'm interpreting the system wrong, or it isn't too important because the numbers for the 788 are 84 on rigid surfaces, the A332 is 66-73
NCL is 73/F/C/W/T for all the taxiways/apron and 65/F/B/W/T for the runway, the 77W is rated at 89 for C (low strength) and 71 for B (medium strength), the A332 being 72-78 and 62-67 respectively and the 788, 81 and 66... Suggesting none of them should be able to operate from NCL. The A380 has the same ACN as the A332, seems NCL and EDI would be better off with them
save our taxiways!
Joe Curry, you could be very correct there, but EDI will see an EK service in the best part of 5-10 years I'm sure.
Runway 06/24 (runway shouldn't be a problem for 77W ops): 87/R/C/W/T
Twy A (A1-A8, A17-D1): 120/R/C/W/T
Twy A (A8-A17): 70/F/A/W/T
Twys E/F: 72/R/C/W/T
Main Apron: 72/R/C/W/T
I don't have a comprehensive knowledge of EDI but I shouldn't think the A/C would be going anywhere else other than those places above.
The 77W ACN for EDI's subgrades are shown as follows:
Flexible:
A (high strength) - 64 (If I'm using the system correct, this is fine)
Rigid:
C (low strength) - 109 (this is definitely not fine)
So it would seem the 77W can't operate regularly into EDI, however I think either my data is wrong, I'm interpreting the system wrong, or it isn't too important because the numbers for the 788 are 84 on rigid surfaces, the A332 is 66-73
NCL is 73/F/C/W/T for all the taxiways/apron and 65/F/B/W/T for the runway, the 77W is rated at 89 for C (low strength) and 71 for B (medium strength), the A332 being 72-78 and 62-67 respectively and the 788, 81 and 66... Suggesting none of them should be able to operate from NCL. The A380 has the same ACN as the A332, seems NCL and EDI would be better off with them
save our taxiways!Joe Curry, you could be very correct there, but EDI will see an EK service in the best part of 5-10 years I'm sure.
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The story thus far........monthly pax & sector figures from the CAA.
May............805......6 sectors...134 per flight...53% load factor
June..........6703....44 sectors...152 per flight...60% load factor
July...........7978....42 sectors...190 per flight...75% load factor
August.......9648....46 sectors...210 per flight...83% load factor
September..7631....42 sectors...182 per flight...72% load factor
October......7607...44 sectors...173 per flight...68% load factor
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Total........40372..244 sectors...180 per flight...71% load factor
If you wanted a new route to get off to a great start then don't start it May or June if flying east from the UK but Qatar obviously were not too bothered with the early figures and it did make 83% by August.
It is the two following months that surprises me although most of the ME3 routes were quite flat from the UK in both in September and October if you take out EY at MAN (up) and QR at MAN (down) which of course is no coincidence
Turkish at Edinburgh was up 18% in October but still only around 70% load factor and of course 9 a week compared to 7 in 2013.
I suppose it is all early days but with EY coming soon I would imagine some pain before gain for these airlines.
Pete
May............805......6 sectors...134 per flight...53% load factor
June..........6703....44 sectors...152 per flight...60% load factor
July...........7978....42 sectors...190 per flight...75% load factor
August.......9648....46 sectors...210 per flight...83% load factor
September..7631....42 sectors...182 per flight...72% load factor
October......7607...44 sectors...173 per flight...68% load factor
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Total........40372..244 sectors...180 per flight...71% load factor
If you wanted a new route to get off to a great start then don't start it May or June if flying east from the UK but Qatar obviously were not too bothered with the early figures and it did make 83% by August.
It is the two following months that surprises me although most of the ME3 routes were quite flat from the UK in both in September and October if you take out EY at MAN (up) and QR at MAN (down) which of course is no coincidence
Turkish at Edinburgh was up 18% in October but still only around 70% load factor and of course 9 a week compared to 7 in 2013.
I suppose it is all early days but with EY coming soon I would imagine some pain before gain for these airlines.
Pete