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French Airlines FlyKiss will operate (according their website)
BES 3 weekly from 11/07/16
CFE 4 weekly from 11/07/16
Aircraft: Embraer145
Schedule:
KT782 BES 10:50-11:00 LTN ER4 ex2367
KT783 LTN 16:30-18:40 BES ER4 ex2367
KT231 LTN 11:40-14:05 CFE ex2367
KT231 LTN 16:30-18:55 CFE 7
KT230 CFE 15:25-15:50 LTN ex236
BES 3 weekly from 11/07/16
CFE 4 weekly from 11/07/16
Aircraft: Embraer145
Schedule:
KT782 BES 10:50-11:00 LTN ER4 ex2367
KT783 LTN 16:30-18:40 BES ER4 ex2367
KT231 LTN 11:40-14:05 CFE ex2367
KT231 LTN 16:30-18:55 CFE 7
KT230 CFE 15:25-15:50 LTN ex236
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No onward travel centre?
Old plan without multistory car park
New plan from same viewpoint. Note the lower canopy line and its different shape. On the old plan the canopy prevented the top of the terminal being seen but on the updated plan the airports logo can be see above the canopy
Enlarged photo of above post. The canopy can't be made of glass due to its shape. As pointed out it doesn't seem as deep so maybe the terminal will stick out more as the canopy still ends by the bus bays. No weather protection for the drop off zone. Also the bridges show light shining through but on the sides shown they have no windows but air vents at the top.
The walkways from the terminal to the bridge and shuttle bus are off the shelf designs that are used by supermarkets to store trolleys in the dry. A few sections were installed a few months ago to keep passengers dry while waiting for the car park coaches.
This is the old plan which will now not happen with its flash roof.
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Cannot see much of a demand at the prices FlyKiss are going to charge? Certainly not low cost. I would imagine that their advertising budget will also be miniscule?
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So ... the mass transit that was talked about donkey's years ago and could have been designed in donkey's years ago - will now have to go on stilts over working areas?
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FlyKiss seems to be little more than a rebranding of Slovenian airline SiAvia
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Even these artist impression make the covered walkways look better than what they really are! The airport is sending £110 million on what, all the materials are so cheap, do they not realise that if they improve the airport aestically that it will improve the passenger's experience of the airport, which will lead to them getting more business and improving their status of the UK's worst airport.
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AvGeek1I have to agree with you. In the big scheme of things a material upgrade would not have added a great deal to the total cost when most of the cost is probably labour.
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According to icodesign, new real time passenger information screens have been fitted in arrivals which contains informations such as your location on the airport complex, weather, bus times, traffic updates and train times. It is also set up with LLA new branding so looks quite modern.
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According to icodesign, new real time passenger information screens have been fitted in arrivals which contains informations such as your location on the airport complex, weather, bus times, traffic updates and train times. It is also set up with LLA new branding so looks quite modern.
Going back to the artist impressions, the images have been created with a lack of lighting columns, road signage, fencing around the bus bays and has already been pointed out, one of the covered walkways in one of the photos is missing. Also not a hint of a hot dog stand and other food kiosks, which were included in the plans submitted to the council that were going to line the walls by the entrances. The entrances were going to project out from the terminal with the kiosks in the recesses but now the entrances are flush with at least the centre section of the terminal which does indeed seem to have been built out and from memory by around 17m seems to ring a bell.
One advantage of a lower roof line is that it will offer more weather protection but I am thinking the roof might be freestanding with a gap between its edge and the terminal as it just doesn't seem that wide. Just hope to God they don't cover the canopy with a roof that looks like a circus tent and made from the same material, as that will be the airports signature for a generation.
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I looked carefully at the schematic map before posting, because I too would have hoped the mass transit would have been underground. Assuming the line is roughly correct, the route would go below the current underpass if underground. That would mean tunnel-boring rather than cut-and-cover - a far more expensive option. It would also mean a very deep station as well as a long tunnel.
Furthermore, the original publicity picture of the scheme showed an open-air (and quite steeply climbing) track, rather than one which would be running under ground for much of its' length.
Also, the line on the map is superimposed over the features it crosses, in cartography convention, and similarly the underpass disappears under the taxiway.
Finally, if tunnelling were planned, the stated completion date of end-2020 would be highly optimistic.
Sorry but I don't see any evidence that the the mass transit system is going over everything on stilts, all I see is a nominal line on a map (unless someone can point me to something I've missed).
Furthermore, the original publicity picture of the scheme showed an open-air (and quite steeply climbing) track, rather than one which would be running under ground for much of its' length.
Also, the line on the map is superimposed over the features it crosses, in cartography convention, and similarly the underpass disappears under the taxiway.
Finally, if tunnelling were planned, the stated completion date of end-2020 would be highly optimistic.
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I think it will boil down to what is the cheapest method to cross the taxiway with the station located in a reasonable distance from the terminal.
The route shown, which actually might not even be the route, would be costly to construct and would cause disruption to quite a big area of the CTA. If the route was accurate it would have to be very high level to pass over the passenger bridge with a high level station equally high and if it went under underground it would have to be quite deep and would have to be bored out at great expense.
There is certainly enough space around Alpha for another cut and cover tunnel if it hugged the existing tunnel on the easyjet hangar side as the taxiway could be diverted as it was back in I think 1998. If anyone looks at a google view of the tunnel the narrow remains of the last taxiway diversion can still be seen as the tunnel was built in two halves. It could then follow the road and terminate somewhere around the easyjet hangar so leaving most of the CTA alone.
It is clear that there is no obvious route either above or below ground or even for a station location so it will be a clever challenge for the team working on the plans.
The route shown, which actually might not even be the route, would be costly to construct and would cause disruption to quite a big area of the CTA. If the route was accurate it would have to be very high level to pass over the passenger bridge with a high level station equally high and if it went under underground it would have to be quite deep and would have to be bored out at great expense.
There is certainly enough space around Alpha for another cut and cover tunnel if it hugged the existing tunnel on the easyjet hangar side as the taxiway could be diverted as it was back in I think 1998. If anyone looks at a google view of the tunnel the narrow remains of the last taxiway diversion can still be seen as the tunnel was built in two halves. It could then follow the road and terminate somewhere around the easyjet hangar so leaving most of the CTA alone.
It is clear that there is no obvious route either above or below ground or even for a station location so it will be a clever challenge for the team working on the plans.
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So where are we at. Lost the French 757's but gained the French Embraers. Lost the Turkish Airbus but gained the... 
All in all the biggest shame for me is another 757 operator leaving. Just Thomson then. Are Fedex still running them through MX?
Is there any news on the Guernsey flights that were appllied for earlier in the year?
All in all the biggest shame for me is another 757 operator leaving. Just Thomson then. Are Fedex still running them through MX?
Is there any news on the Guernsey flights that were appllied for earlier in the year?
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Re:Rail Link
If you look closely at the EIA assessment documents,dated 18/04/16 from Planning 15/01697 it states the following regarding the Rail Link.
Provision of a new station located to the north of the existing rail lines (south of Stirling Place)
Elevated section of track to the north of the existing mainline railway of approx 450m including a bridge over the A1081
Section of TUNNEL (circa 200mtrs) to take the rail link under the existing airport approach lights at the end of the runway.
Track at grade or situated in cuttings running roughly parallel with the A1081 and across the mid term car park (850mtrs length )
A section of TUNNEL to take the rail link UNDER the taxiway and into the terminal building below ground level (roughly 700mtrs)
If you read the last sentence as into the CTA , they obviously think that the link was planned ( i say WAS, as it could easily change), to be underground.
If you look closely at the EIA assessment documents,dated 18/04/16 from Planning 15/01697 it states the following regarding the Rail Link.
Provision of a new station located to the north of the existing rail lines (south of Stirling Place)
Elevated section of track to the north of the existing mainline railway of approx 450m including a bridge over the A1081
Section of TUNNEL (circa 200mtrs) to take the rail link under the existing airport approach lights at the end of the runway.
Track at grade or situated in cuttings running roughly parallel with the A1081 and across the mid term car park (850mtrs length )
A section of TUNNEL to take the rail link UNDER the taxiway and into the terminal building below ground level (roughly 700mtrs)
If you read the last sentence as into the CTA , they obviously think that the link was planned ( i say WAS, as it could easily change), to be underground.
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Sounds like it will be bored out then? Apart from the cost maybe it is the only solution rather than the cheapest solution. 700m would indeed take it the end of the drop off zone and maybe a little further.
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Anybody's guess really.
We will just have to wait a while
Here is the link if you haven't already seen it
https://planning.luton.gov.uk/online...ion-621373.pdf
https://planning.luton.gov.uk/online...=NY29HIKG07D00
We will just have to wait a while
Here is the link if you haven't already seen it
https://planning.luton.gov.uk/online...ion-621373.pdf
https://planning.luton.gov.uk/online...=NY29HIKG07D00
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La Compagnie are really pushing to sell the planes out for the next few weeks with most flights sold out or costing under £800 in business class which is a similar price to a economy. La Compagnie loads have been getting higher with less prices that are so called cheap. I believe that there have jumped the boat before the pound dollar rate changes. There name was getting out there and now there have stopped. Not LTN loss but is La Compagnie. Some days their planes would be dumped for over 24 hours so LTN maybe thinking 1 more based aircraft now.
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More facts that have been dug 
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Seems to be quite clear than that a bore will be dug and the station will be underground. It sounds very impressive!!!
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Area of development/works/new floorspace (as appropriate)
2.2km track (generally 10-15m wider). New station would appear to cover an area of 1,400sqm, with the below grade area leading up to the terminal appearing be circa 4,500sqm.
2.2km track (generally 10-15m wider). New station would appear to cover an area of 1,400sqm, with the below grade area leading up to the terminal appearing be circa 4,500sqm.
...before entering a bored tunnel under the airport taxiway. At the Luton Airport central terminal area passengers will leave the people mover and enter the airport from below-grade.